4.  The applicants were born in 1977 and 1965, respectively, and they are both serving prison sentences. The facts common to these cases are that the applicants were arrested and placed in custody on suspicion of membership of an illegal organisation, and during their police custody they had no right to legal assistance. Their statements taken during this period were subsequently used for their conviction by the trial courts. 5.  The details concerning the applications are indicated in the table below.

Application no. and case name
Date of police custody
Date of interrogation by the police 
Date of interrogation by the public prosecutor and the investigating judge 
Date of first instance court judgment and Court of Cassation decision
8747/02
Geçgel v. Turkey 6.  In the case of Mr Geçgel (no. 8747/02), the domestic courts constantly extended his detention using identical, stereotyped terms, such as “having regard to the nature of the offence and the state of the evidence”.