and i did have 1 or 2 experiences of where everything was totally flat and when i looked and thought oh i recognize you but it was gone then the next minute but um i knew based on what you guys had said that thats something that can can happen and i did i did ayahuasca a few years back oldest person there but did have the experience of the luminosity and i also had the experience of a tree talking to me so based on on that i use that sometimes as a thread to go back to that luminosity to start