`== Headline text ==  {| class=``messagebox standard-talk`` | |WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A FALUN GONG DISCUSSION FORUM! Please, add new messages pertaining to editing the FLG article at the bottom of this page. |} It is suggested that new readers of this ``talk page`` read the archived discussions below.  It is likely that an issue of concern has already been discussed.  As a result, a would-be poster can save the Wikipedian community time and effort spent on otherwise rehashing an issue if this responsbility is undertaken. Please remember that this isn't the place to vent our spleens in condemnation or gush praise for Falun Gong itself as much as it is to comment on the actual article content. We don't want a puff piece for Falun Gong or Li Hongzhi, neither do we want to demonise them. If we have an objectively neutral, factual article one hopes the truth will speak for itself, however we may subjectively perceive it.  Archived discussion: */archive1, 1 April 2003 - 29 May 2005 */Archive2, 29 May 2005 to 30 July 2005 */Archive3, 31 July 2005 to 20 January 2006 */Archive4, 21 January 2006 to 2 March 2006 */Archive5, 3 March 2006 to 21 March 2006 */Archive6, 22 March 2006 to 10 April 2006 */Archive7, 10 April 2006 to 25 April 2006 */Archive8, 25 April 2006 to 26 May 2006  == Starting Over, take two ==  This page has rampant repetition.  Several paragraphs are repeated.  Needs to be unlocked and fixed.  *1. I applaud whoever froze this page.  It was the right thing to do. *2. Over the weekend, there were a series of incremental edits done by FG practitioners and others which had the effect of massively re-writing and re-organizing the article.  Dilip was part of that effort, but others were as well. *3. In response to this major attack,  I gathered together all the ``critical sections`` on the FG as quickly as I could because I could see that through clever systematic editing they would all be gone or obscured by new writing here and there. I also asked for mediation. *4.  I agree with Dilip that the ``Awards and Recognitions``  section was deleted, but it was not deleted by either me or Samuel.  In order to have a basis for an organizational discussion, I ask everyone to check out the version of the article as of Fire Star's 6:12 25 April edit: * *You'll see that at that point the Critics and controversial teachings section had 7 sub categories, the last one of which was Questionable significance of Falun Gong awards & recognitions.  You will notice that Fire Star had put in a link in the Awards and recognitions section to the corresponding Critics and controversial teachings section. *5. In my opinion, the only way we are going to resolve some of these contentious issues is to adopt an approach similar to the splitting of sections on the issue of FG awards and recognitions.  *6. As an over-all strategy,  I propose that we first try to reach some agreement on structure, by which I mean what sections and sub-sections we will have.  Once we've reached agreement, we should all be bound by that structure.  In other words, no arbitrary deletion of any sections or major re-arrangements without extensive discussion on these pages. *7. Once we've agreed to an over-all structure (and again I propose that we consider splitting the article) some high level administrator should be prepared to step in again and freeze the article, as was just done. *What say the rest of you?    :Comment It all sounds so complicated, Tomananda! I feel I need to take a breather and do some meditative exercise; but the existing schools and systems are all so alien, so outré! D    :Well, I agree that the editing the last few days was crazy. There were more people chiming in than just the regulars, and they were making seemingly random reversions and edits that muddied the already turbulent waters, which is why I requested the protection. We can propose an outline here and discuss towards a consensus of what we want in the main article and the spinoffs. If we can find neutral enough language for the facts in unequivocal public prominence, then I think we can get a good, intellectually interesting article out of this, neither puff-piece advertising or condemnatory. We just want people to know more about FLG, whether that makes them sign up for it or avoid it is up to them.    Strong Support Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. [[User:CovenantD|Covena