  @Hilarleo: You asked about Martin Hogbin at . Martin is just another editor with no real-world interest in the topic of topiary/tree shaping/arborsculpture, other than as a concerned onlooker who has tried to defend Wikipedia against strident POV editing. I learned about the Tree shaping issue at some noticeboard a long time ago, and I assume Martin did the same, but I think earlier than me. I think I recall Martin talking about mediation, but of course that will not be effective in the end. Thank you for taking the time to post your well stated and very helpful comments at ANI.   