 ***Well, as far as VfD's go on those kinds of groups, you can count me an ally.  One of Wikipedia's strengths, I think, is that it serves as a respository for underground and pop culture  there've been several times when I've come here looking to understand some term or phenomenon and been rewarded.  But there is a lot of crap that floats around in the stream, so to speak, that I am always ready to get rid of.  Fancruft.  Corporate drek.  Isn't it funny what a small world it is??  You know Byter is still running around out there.  I haven't emailed him in, God, probably a couple of years, I don't even remember what it is anymore, but he is still active on the MUD called Ancient Anguish, under his old handle.  Whenever I have an urge that's usually how I get ahold of him.  Also just read your iCE interview  I knew Honus Wagner as well.  I am from Houston originally and I started my first warez BBS there.  Unfortunately I have no idea where he is these days.   