`  ==What were you ranting about?==  Are you talking to me, or the 300+ people who've downloaded this refutation of you and your uncivil friends?: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1264745  And so that everyone can see part of it here:  JoshuaZ said:  ``Starfire, as I tried to explain to you Wikipedia cares about reliable sources and verifiability, not truth. Now, if you read that guideline, you may understand why in general AIG and many of the other sources you used are not reliable sources.``  Hey JoshuaZ the liar, where does Wikipedia's policy say that AnswersInGensis.org is not a reliable source? Where JoshuaZ the vandal and liar? Show us. So you think saying, ``Now`` is scientific evidence that you are a wise and intelligent teller of the truth or that you know what a reliable and verifiable source is?  JoshuaZ, where does Wikipedia's policy say that the Jacob Sheep Association = a reliable and verifiable source that Jacob Sheep are biologically primitive you hypocrite? Explain that hypocrite who personally attacked Starfire777 using lies.  Show your references JoshuaZ. Saying, ``Now`` is not a reference that your accusations are true are they? Why can't you make sense Joshua?  Again, where did those verses prophecy anything? Do these look like prophecies JoshuaZ?:  Joshua also said:  ``In this case, they did have sources, so you have even less of an argument.``  Wrong JoshuaZ. Simply citing sources as you yourself said does not make the source valid. It must be substantiated and verifiable. Why do you conveniently forget that you smug babbling hypocrite?  Your later comments don't merit much of a response, but I wThen he said:  ``ill simply note that accusing people of bigotry, bias, hypocrisy, irrationality and trolling makes my earlier comment about not using ``Darwinist`` as a slur somewhat irrelevant;``  Because you said so JoshuaZ, and whatever you said is true is true because you said so. So much for references eh? All you have to do is accuse and it makes you right, right hypocrite? See how you go round and round in circles using circular reasoning?  ``if your earlier comment toed the line, the one above crosses it.``  Because you said so JoshuaZ, and whatever you say is true because you said so. Science!  ``I suggest you calm down``  I suggest you not use sarcastic insults like that, ok hypocrite? You're implying that the Starfire777 is ill-tempered merely because he points out that you are hypocrite and uses logic to do so (as well as verifiable references on Answersingenesis.com which you lied about not being reliable and being against Wikipedia's rules to cite), ok liar?  I suggest you also not command a Christian to follow your moral standards over Christ's, over God's. He is a Christian don't ya know? Are you now God to tell him how to feel and think? I suggest you read this verse and take it to heart which millions of Christians know very well so that you learn how not to offend them again:  ``Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil.`` - Ephesians 4:26-27  Last time I checked JoshuaZ, neither your nor Wikipedia's rules superceded God's.   ``and read the relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines while you wait for your block to expire.``  Oh the old ``you need to read it but I don't`` and ``you sit and think while your grounded young man`` insults. What an arrogant, childish hypocrite you are.  I suggest that you stop pretending that whatever you say is true merely because you said it, and again, learn what Starfire777 properly told you to learn.  I'll enhance the list for you:  Reference, evidence, truth, reality, lie, bigot, hypocrite, fallacy, circular reasoning, troll, stalking, harassment, insults, hatred, and love.  And Joshua also said:  ``This is in addition to issues of original research in regard to Biblical prophecies and other issues on the Charles Darwin page.``  Wow you sure like to weasel-word: ``other issues``? What are you references for this vague ``other issues`` JoshuaZ the Policy Master of Wikpedia?  And Joshua, who said anything about prophecies? Where did Starfire777 say anothing about prophecies? No JoshuaZ the wannabe scholar, he said ``predicted`` in the same way that science can be used to predict the outcome of an experiment. If your lazy-brained truth-careless self had been paying attention to what he said CARE FULL Y you might have noticed that the verses were using PAST TENSE JOSHUA, not FUTURE TENSE JOSHUA. If you are unable to tell the difference between past tense and future tense, what business do you have playing judge? If you are unable to figure out the difference between multiple meanings of words and are quick to judge (that means rushing carelessly to judge) what business do you have being a judge? Big duh right there. Here you go Joshua, read the verses again, and please explain how you missed that they are past tense:  ``For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they BECAME [PAST TENSE JOSHUA] futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they BECAME fools, and EXCHANGED the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God GAVE them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God GAVE them up to dishonorable passions. For their women EXCHANGED natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;  and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.``  Did those caps help Joshua? Were those big enough hints for you? And Joshua, since when is the Christian teaching that ignoring God leads to homosexuality, ``original``? Are you blind? Did those plainly worded verses (they aren't metaphors genius) pose to great a challenge for your mind to understand? Where have you been while Christians for the past 100 years have been preaching that turing away from God leads to homosexuality? Well you fake religion expert? Well lying Joshua? Where ya been Mr. Judge of Christianity? Can we see your degrees in religion and Christian history oh Expert Judge JoshuaZ? Got any references for us that can be substantiated and verified? Lol. Not.  So, again, what business do you have judging?  Take a hint from God, your master who you are mocking and disobeying:  ``Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.`` Proverbs 26:12  Fool in ancient Hebrew means ``very wicked person``. So there is more hope for a very evil man then for you Joshua.  ``A man who remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.``   Reference? From Proverbs 29:1, in the Bible, the best selling most archeologically and scientifically verified historical record in the world. Reference?:  See Scientifically and Archeologically Substantiated and Verified Books Proving the Accuracy of the Bible.  I suggest you play catch up with me, Starfire, and the other 30+ million Calvinists, including the scientists among them who you don't hold a candle to.  Joshua, lose the smug, bitter and hateful attitude and realize this truth: Just because you didn't call anyone a moron or hypocrite doesn't mean you are not personally attacking, not being hateful, and not insulting. Do you understand that truth Joshua? It's very simple, it doesn't take a genius to understand. Learn what ``passive aggressive`` means too.  Personal attacks are not whatever you say they are, nor is a personal attack unjustified if you are vandalizing Wikipedia. You, a PERSON, are attacking Starfire, A PERSON, on Wikipedia, so stop acting surprised when you are attacked back. Lose the God complex, the ``Do as I say not as I do attitude`` Joshua.  Note: JoshuaZ's lies against Starfire777 (lies which are ultimately against God) can be found in the ``User Starfire777 Baited by Darwinists and Blocked`` htm file which is in the ``Banning Christian Editors Using Unsubstantiated Accusations`` folder.  Made possible thanks to my Loving Helper. Now you go to your room and you think about your truth-hiding ways.  `