 :I changed the name of this section so that the link from template:dubious on the article page would redirect to the actual ongoing discussion that is already here. :Regarding the 3O: I came here via 3O, though I understood that I could be more helpful if not constrained by 3O so I removed the 3O indication not to confuse people regarding my current status here. And I removed 3O notice as there is 4 different opinions in discussion, so it can't qualify for 3O. :  