` :Hmm.  I agree that one is borderline, I should've declined the speedy deletion.  I'm not convinced that they are notable enough for Wikipedia, but the article did at least assert that they were.  Apologies for that JAF, I went too fast.  I've userfied the article at , is there anything else that can be added to it to expand it beyond the stub that it is?  I'd be happy to help you get it out of your userspace.     `