`Thanks Rb,   I have indeed read that, the whole point of me defending these two main points.. nick mason and places of interest is that i DO believe them to be extremely relevent to the page, Andy is definately ``bold in updating pages`` and thats great but without other peoples hard work to update there wouldn't be any updating to do, infact this place wopuld be rather empty. Andy is very bold in deleting work that in my opinion shouldn't be deleted and especially without discussion first. I have suggested a vote because to get mediation etc really is a last resort.  Nick  `