`  This was on the first ever Baha'i talk page and I am interested in quoting it here. I you want to reference it then visit achive. ``An old-timer who has been here since the very, very early days (I know Larry Sanger if that helps gives you a sense of time).  I rarely participate in discussions. I am an administrator - one of the first ever appointed - but I rarely exercise my admin rights. I generally try to avoid many of the petty disputes that the admins regularly get themselves caught up in.  In the off-chance that anyone cares about my opinion: I am very disturbed by the trend to championing ``process`` over ``quality`` which has become a hallmark of the 'pedia's internal wrangling. It's heartbreaking, and is the reason why so many good people have left the project.  As a result, I just stick to writing content whenever I find the time.`` Roddy Young. PS looking at the copyright laws I feel that delete and rvt others work may be argued as superceeding the persons copyright entitlement. It that is the case and upset was had due to deletes and a law suit could be taken over other deleting work this would raise some interesting changes to the culture of wikipedia and may even be the end of it as we know. I must admit that attention is agained when someone deletes a bit of work. If deleting stopped then wikipedia would become flabby. Jeff3000 I invite you to take the new understanding that you have gained and present a case to the policy committee. Why? Because that would atone for you deleting work and rvt work that was never authored in the first place. I have to talk this out to concensus before I go back to the page to add material to the main page. So those people that ask to leave the matter and move on miss the point that deletes are at the heart of the matter. What is at the heart of this matter is the following text ``Baha'i content has made its way on to www.youtube.com website. With over 100 million video downloads each day and 20 million users per month on Youtube this website is a growing forum for Baha'i Holy Day commemorations and other Baha'i content in audio visual material. The earliest video upload was added September 25, 2005, ``Baha'i wedding``. The next oldest video upload was added October 20, 2005, ``Aniversário do Bab / Bab's Birthday``. As of 21 August 2006 there is 113 video uploads that have the tags ``Baha'i`` that is picked up in a Youtube search. Aniversário do Bab / Bab's Birthday has 158 views in 10 months and Baha'i wedding has 1,185 views.`` Now when I last read Nibil's Narrative, the book on the early history of the Babis, 1844-1850 heroic era, I was impressed. This book only needs a link and a reference on the main Baha'i page because we would expect a person to get the book out and read it. Space is saved on the main page. However I do see the youtube content as a contempory addition to the Main pages that requires a few lines. These lines make the first notes of the present day ``contempory Nibil's Narrative``. Age and era of forfilment is now. The heroic era is over and closed. It makes good encyclopedic material. However the real time ``heroic material`` is real time. It is happening all around the world, ruhi books, childrens classes, devotional meetings and junior youth. When activities inspired by these efforts are reported on Youtube then that becomes material for the modern day ``contempory Nibil's Narrative``. ``Baha'i content hasmade its way on to www.yoube.com website.`` Is a true statement. ``With over 100 million video downloads each day and 20 million users per month on Youtube...`` makes the fact notable my greatest numbers - unconscious concensus. ``...Baha'i Holy days and commemorations...`` is very much Baha'i page content. People gathering today around the world to remember the 23 May 1844 at a Holy day and recording a video and uploading it on Youtube now lets me look at other languages and cultures doing the same as I. ``The earliest video uploadwas added September 23, 2005...`` this fact is true. The link to the video is the reference method open to verification. Jeff3000 do you consider delete as an infringement of my copyright by superceeding. If so I agree that talk needs to happen first in the talk page before moving to the main page. You have my commitment to that. Jeff3000 do you see how you are the best person to take a policy suggestion change to the wikipedia. You are more articulate than I and others who are giving non verbal confirmation that they also see your higher station. You have shown unquestioned loyalty, well trained mind, mature experience, recognised ability and mature experience. That is why I am asking you represent this talk with a new policy suggestion around ogg and the like. With love .Roddy Young   `