` ::::::Yes, I agree entirely, particularly with your objection to the ``current members`` of a defunct band. It seems odd that this ``exceptional cases`` clause has remained, there doesn't seem to be any benefit in it at all. Maybe it was a condition demanded by certain factions when the guideline was created. It's a non sequitur, a defunct band has only former members, no current ones, end of story. Otherwise it wouldn't be defunct. But as you say, one or two bands have a strong fan presence on Wikipedia, which is a double-edged sword. We get great, detailed articles, but sometimes it's very hard to make any changes to these articles because the number of objectors is too high, and their objections are too forceful. I would hate to try and get anything controversial achieved on the Beatles talk page. But yes, that aside, the guidelines are quite acceptable and would function well as policy.   `