I think an important way to have reasonable discussion is to have reasonable discussion. I can understand why some editors are inclined automatically to dismiss any discussion on this, but let's just observe WP:GF and WP:CIVIL and discuss it and stop the accusations and sniping remarks that hinder constructive dialogue. That's my .02 cents worth. Where I have done that in the past, I apologize. Let's move on now and talk it over. I look forward to your observations Sam and encourage you to proceed. Editors who do not feel so inclined to discuss certainly do not have to participate, but they should not hinder the discussion. Thanks Sam.   