I don't know if I would find Martin's argument compelling or not, because I've never been able to understand what it is.  I printed out the interview and have read it over and over, and have read the discussion above over and over, as well as other such discussions in different places,  but I can't understand it.  It's not that I find it unpersuasive, it's that I find it incomprehensible.  As I said somewhere else on this page, I think SPOV is a distraction, not a useful term (I don't understand Fill's use of it any more than I understand Martin's) and I agree wholeheartedly with MastCell that SPOV serves as a wedge issue to polarize the discussion, when what we need is an understanding of common ground.   ::So, in the interest of educating this confused newbie about NPOV, I would like Martin and whoever else would like to chime in, to explain to me, using an example of a fringe topic, and without invoking the term SPOV, what NPOV would look like.  I would appreciate it very much, thanks.    