`  :Agreed.  We can do this when it gets longer.    == New additions and POV phrasing ==  Casaniva, thanks for helping out with this page.  Some of your edits have been great, like mentioning routines, patterning, and the social robot phenomenon.  Some of your other edits I have reverted, because they are not written from a neutral point of view, which wikipedia requires, or because they don't cite sources (see the policies on WP:NPOV, and WP:V).  I will go through most of these edits specifically:  From the part on negs, I removed this text: :They are often used to 'Kock a woman off her pedestal' and swallow up her self confidence. eg 'Did you leave your personality at home today?' This technique is widely disliked by women. It is not pleasent to be 'Negged'.  I also removed a description of negs as ``insults.``  See the Mystery Method page which claims that they are not supposed to come off as insults.  Negs are also not supposed to ``swallow up her self confidence.``  If ``Did you leave your personality at home today`` is a neg from a specific pickup artist, we can mention it, but we should cite who it is from.  Also, who says negs are ``widely disliked by women?`` I mean this literally, because you need to cite a source to make claims like that on wikipedia.  If you want to put this claim back in the article, then you will need to cite a reference from a reputable secondary source per Wikipedia's verifiability policy.  Also, claims like ``it is not pleasant to be negged,`` are merely your subjective opinion, and consequently not encyclopedic.  From the part on C&F;, I removed this:  :The Pick-Up Community holds that arrogance is not a bad thing. Frequently saying 'Thank You' when accused of it.  Actually, many pickup artists say that arrogance is not the goal (see David DeAngelo's explanation of C&F; on his page).   Yes, saying ``thank you`` when accused of arrogance is a response that many pickup artists would use, but we should attribute it to whoever is advocating it before including it on the page (in the future, we might have a section on ``shit tests`` which could mention stuff like that).  From the routines part:  :Many critics say that it is easier just to be oneself.  True, but we need to cite actual critics, instead of using weasel references to ``many critics.`` (Tangentially, although ``just be yourself`` is often given as advice, it isn't particularly useful.  Specifically, it is so ambiguous as to be almost meaningless.  Furthermore, the men who would join the seduction community are often lacking in social skills, and many have been social isolated for much of their lives, so they have learned maladaptive social behaviors and mindsets.  Consequently,  ``just be yourself`` is terrible advice for them insofar as it encourages them to keeping doing what they are already doing. What they are already doing hasn't been working, which is why they are joining the community in the first place.)  From the patterns part:  :designed to manipulate a woman's subconcious mind into supplication  First, I've taken out all uses of the word ``manipulate`` because it is generally not a neutral term.  Also, I don't think it's true that the purpose of patterning is necessarily to induce supplication (though certainly some may have that goal).  From the field reports section:  :Critics point out that this striving for conquest is not necessarily a good thing and that a woman finding herself mentioned on a field report would likely be extremely angry with the pickup artist. In some private forums ('Lounges') on the internet pick-up artists post up pictures of their conquests like trophies.    There are so many problems here: First, ``critics``: which critics?  Second, you refer to the posting of field reports as ``striving for conquest.``  That is merely your value-judgment on that practice (wikipedia is not about pronouncing whether anything is a ``good thing`` or not, though wikipedia does describe value-judgments from reputable secondary sources).  It happens to correctly describe some pickup artists, but not others.  I'm sure it's true that many women would be angry to find field reports about themselves, but we need a reference to include that in the article.  Also, saying that pickup artists post up pictures ``like trophies`` is also biased phrasing.  Certainly some may hold that motivation, but others may not.   In short, some of your edits have been very helpful, and please review the editing policies WP:NPOV and WP:V for the future.  `