`: . . .and for a quote from a news story which is no longer available online   :That one I won't contest  the blog article consists almost entirely of the news story and there are no visitors comments.   :Of course, both are experts writing about a field in which they are experts.    :They may be experts in science,  but they are not particular experts about Yecke  many others know as much as or more than they do about Yecke.   :And while Myer's is a widely read op-ed columnist    :For the umpteenth time,  dunghill,  Myers is not a widely read op-ed columnist  he is just a BVD-clad blogger.    And even if he were a widely read op-ed columnist,   his blog would have to be under ``direct editorial control`` of a media company to be eligible to be a Wikipedia source.     :we are using Pharyngula as a source for what Myers said and we are using Austringer as a source for what Elsberry said    :And if you do that,  you are making an exception to the Wikipedia rules and the same exception must be made for my blog.       :just as you could use a Krugman op-ed as a source for what Krugman said without bothering to figure out whether the NYTimes op-ed piece adequately fact-checks its op-ed columnists    :Newspapers take responsibility for the accuracy of the reporting of their journalists.    A journalist can be fired or suffer damage to a career because of false reporting.          `