` :::::::I MUST object to this. When I originally put forth my version of MastCell and Nightscream's ``argument``, I was told I was not addressing the article, but just babbling on the issue. So, I defended myself that this is directly related to the article and its POV. Then, I was told, that somehow paraphrasing the argument used to push POV is somehow an ``attack`` on the editors!! And that I ``misattributed`` them. Fine, I'll deal with that later. Okay, so let me get this straight. People push a POV on an article. They use specific arguments to justify pushing their POV (the endless bickering over ``scientific consensus``, ``scientific community``, ``facts``, ``who is a scientist``, just read the last 3 years' discussion pages). I come onto this discussion page, and I point out how pathetic their arguments used to push their POV are. When I do this, I am told I am ``not addressing the article to improve it``, and that I'm ``attacking the editors`` (!!) and that if I continue to do this, I will be banned. Whatever. Nightscream said: ``I made none of the ``arguments`` you attributed to me, nor do I recall MastCell doing so either.`` But you said: ``It indicates that it is referring exclusively to those who follow the Scientific Method, and not any ol' Tom, Dick and Harry with a contrary opinion and a webpage.`` It does not take a ph.d. to figure out that by ``any ol' Tom, Dick, and Harry with a contrary opinion and a webpage`` you mean Duesberg, Perth, David Crowe, AIDS Wiki, and Virusmyth, and all the people associated with them. Hence, by your own words, you are saying that all these people, the ``Tom, Dick, and Harry``'s, are not following the ``scientific method`` and are thus not part of your ``scientific community``. And this is my point. You DEFINE anyone who rejects the hypothesis as necessarily not following scientific method, hence not a member of the scientific community, then claim there's 100% or near 100% agreement in the scientific community that HIV causes AIDS. It's a completely circular argument.   `