`  :::::Walter, I don't know why you're being so prosecutorial about this, but my point about N stands, and your point about BLPNAMES does not refute it, because of ``if they are not properly sourced.`` In other words, N is not relevant for content: only if there are RS, which was my point: V via RS is not the same as N, and is not required to be. As for the rest, I never said the vanity page was reliable, so why bang on about it?  I don't care about the EL or the vanity site, because I'll never cite them as sources. Cheer up. http://xkcd.com/386/ -  `