` :My concern is that the article should not say that he was born in a city in Yugoslavia/Croatia. That is what I read when I read what you have proposed/edited. If it first says that he was born Motovun, then it says that he was born in Yugoslavia/Croatia. That is why I am so insistent on seeing the city name in its historical context not in it's current context. I don't have a problem with immediately stating after that fact that the city and state later changed nationality (thus name), which lead to his family's emigration to U.S. It's good that we agree that we need to use a short one sentence elaboration that uses clear facts. We have had problems with this article that anon users have changed his country of birth to Yugoslavia/Croatia, including changing the flag by his name. That's just wrong. Hopefully the additional contributors can give a compromise that most of us can agree to (because I don't think that there's a middle ground that you two can agree). Take a true vacation away from your laptop - this can sit until after you return! I let it sit when I was on vacation for the last 2 days.  `