`::::I know that my suggestion was clunky and too long, and I can see the point of not having ``controversy`` in there.  But the difference I'd like to retain is that if we say ``Yet, some atheists hold ...`` we are correctly implying that people other than ``some atheists`` do not hold that position.  That point is lost when you state the position and then say that ``even some atheists disagree``.  In the latter you only get the sense that ``some atheists disagree`` and not that everyone else does as well.  Does that make sense?   `