`  ::::::What is ``it`` in your sentence ``You then reverse yourself and say it's less than three times the rate``. I reversed nothing. I think YAF knows the difference between a homicide and a suicide. I don't know what the comparatives are for suicide in the UK and the US. Maybe you can enighten us. I have a feeling that the 41 times figure may also have included accidental deaths as well as suicides because, if I recall correctly, the suicide rate in the US is higher than that in the UK. Certainly the gun suicide rate is. Guns are such terribly dangerous things... quite unlike Whales.  `