`    == Goodbye everybody ==   And what on earth is wrong about this article, specially if settet back where it originally belongs? I do not accuse people to be socket puppet, I do not insult them with harsh and very illustrativ words, I do not call their articles for garbage or for saying nothing usefull, or for being idiots, nor ignorant, nor do I pretend that they do not contribute with anything on the talk page and never did, nor do I revert other users contributions, as YBM and rjb specially and mainly, as well as some other new users on the page like Maru that night and previous days did, and som other users belonging to the same side of the story. If I had to be banished for that so had ybm and rjb and maru too and for a much longer period of time and their text to be removed, in fact all of them that night, as they didn't say much else but cynical and fruitless comments on other people works and destructiv critiscism who wasn't justify. I tried more than 4 times to make them come v´back to ttheir mind and to sopt healding oil to the fire, but it didn't helped. They just had too much fun harrassing users all around the talk page, unpunished. An objectiv analyse of the page will not only take much time but will most certainly show how true what I state here is. There is a text that I do not found, an article with the copy/paste of the writting exchange between me and mister Jean Pierre Voyer, where he clearly stated his doing in this affair and his cooperation with YBM in the making of falsification of evidencies, and his arrogancy and proudness in doing so, added some discrepencies in his words and a major amount of respectlessness, and you have the picture of the person behind this all story. I also received private mails from a mister Rupley, who is (which is) the name of one of YBMs' web site with plenty of litteracy of the kind of Voyer, and with links to Luven, also an ybms' website of the kind. It does not concern the Bogdanovs affair, but concentrate on the theories who corroborate the making of such a fake story and its justifications in doing so. It's a hobby of some sort, like some like Shakespeare or a special branch of philosophy or politic or a sub for us mostly unknown special branch of a political - philosofical - opinionated - with social ramification kind of organisation, touching a very small group of individuals inclosed in their believes.  There is plenty of the like all over the world, their reason for adding to those ideas are those people life and choices, which I do respect, but in that case, those idiosyncrasies (thats my own choice of denomination and not theirs)are being punched ininto the reality of a lot of people and involved real ideas. I think of course about the balancing act of inplanting those high flying ideas to the reality of the thousands of internet users by imposing their vues inthis Bogdanov affair. By vues I do not mean the apparent version of the fact given by YBM about the validity of the actual thesis. No. It isn't what it is about. It is more complex than that. It is about playing with people reactions in a situation of confrontations and playing with lies. Creating stories, ideas, like gossips who have no bund in the rality but who will nonetheless create a reaction in the people who are witnessing it at the time, and build on further from those reactions, and add more and more stuff to keep the tension and the artificial affair going on. It might not be as complicated as it sounds to bring those ideas to live, as it very quickly get a dynamic of its own who keep repeating itself, if some element are implemented along the way. It has roll this way for 2 years now, and the scenario are pretty much the same from a Forum to another. One can see the same scenarios coming up, the same elements who keep coming back, the same strange behaviours at odd time, and the same surprising reactions when prooven wrong: a war take place, fill with denials, wild accusations, insults, personnal attacks, anything goes type of scenarios, with a lot of drama and tension in it, and many people getting injured, and leaving too.  mostly those who came with the unbeatable arguments as I saw it so many times on fr. physic, from june to november 2004. Looking at it after without having a part of it, give the priviledged view of the whole thing in a very short period of time , in one view, and here all those flaws are very obvious and it seems estonishing that nobody noticed it at the time. The game is very clear that way, and it was clear for me that there was something wrong going on, something who wasn't right, a mismatch.  And i seek after what it could be. It was evident that the main person involved didn't have clean floor in his bag, and that he was hidding something but also that he was clearly lying and very ``good`` at it, very good at manipulating groups and opinion too. It was estonishing to see how easely people get involved in it and how easely they were turned around, convinced, by the most unusual methods. Threats and insults about their level of education, them as a person, their intelectual level, their degree og´f idiotie, and also by understating that he wasknowing much more than all the other and had a higher educational grad in the field at hand. Not by saying it directly, but by leading to it, in a very pompous way. It was amazing, he was really insulting people talking low to them, trating them like inferiors being, and they were saying sorry, and agreeing with him and folowing him. Very interesting stuff for psy students and the rest, but for the time being very usefull to know to understand the whole thing and how it has been building up. References to those forums is the key, to make it looking more real more true. And after 2 years there is a lot of them, mostly build by him, and none of them without the omnipresence of YBM, which is the Hic of the story. For if it is true and happened all by itself without the help of ybm nor Voyer nor max nor Ronulphe, his associates, howcome it diesn't exist one forum previous to those or parallel to those who discused the matter without their presence in it? It should be expected. But the claim is not met. The affair does start with YBm, and with Epiphyse. Before that, it was a closed incident. Many scientifics have asked why should a thesis make such a big mark when there is thousand of thesis presented and defended every year and that not one of them is completely free from errors and that it is expected from a thesis. Why? Because this one was choosen to put in application their post situationistics trip. The second in line, after 2 years exercise on the internet with 2 other writers, YBM was now ready to grab a bigger beaf. The Bogdanov, it was ideal, celebrity, attention warranty, also from the media, and this was taken care of as this Voyer has worked in the media, for a newspaper in France during many years, as he was stating it himself in his letter adressed to me. This letter that I published a few minutes before being blocked, and who isn't to be found now, or so it seems. If Bishonen didn't removed it, then, who did? Those articles were and still are used as proofs by YBM, who have had the kindness to make them all available for us on the internet. It is quiet incredible that so many people eat the story for so long, and understandable that some people add to this kind of way to use and dispense their intelligence, instead of earn for a living. What is disturbing and unacceptable, is the consequences that this joke of theirs had and still have on the first people concerned by it, and on those who were broght onto it along the way. I understand that many people who first heared of it and where practically only given the informations provided by YBM as a main source of information, did believe him, and didn't see a croock in him but some kind of hero of the truth. What I understand less and less is that they can stay seduced by his word when they witness his methods, words, allegations, insults, denials, and can see that all might not be as it seems.  Lets take a recent exemple, who in fact is a replication of what happened for exactly one month ago: I purposed a settlement that I had mentioned 2 days before but who had went unoticed. I explain it better, and its purpose is to settle the affair once and for all by having undisputable best world expert in cosmology to take a look at the thesis and give his opinion about it. The reception was like a joke one hear at the local pub. No question asked, no propositions, no agreement about it, only destructivs comments and total bagatellisation of it. It is the most constructiv proposal ever made here and in this affair, and who seek to cut the chase and be real. Once this expert has spoken, so nothing more need to be sayed. The case will be definitelly closed. YBM and rjb should be glad, all detractors should be pleased to death by this piece of news, finally they are going to be prooved true. Now there is an end to their suffering, the truth will prevail. But no, not interested, opposit I got the very surprising reaction from rjb that he is going to contact his own specialist, like if it was some kind of competition I was at. It estonished me as this reaction made no sens at all. So I tried to explain to him a little better. but no no no, he came with his specialist, a recent figure in YBMs' blackboard of trophee. Un chercheur du CNRS. Who made a very thorough filling of the talk page with a list of errors who had been seen many tiems argumented that way, and contraargumented on some forums, but also on...Wiki! french about the same subject and by the sam