` ::::I do not see how it is relevant if sources use the word famous.  We are never obliged to use the same words as any source.  You can find a source claiming that almost anything is famous - it's hardly a rare case where lots of sources do so - so should we describe everything as famous?  No, I tried that and it was rightly shot down.  You can find a source - a famous one! - which says that this opera is a shabby little shocker.  And those words aren't even listed as ones to avoid, so do we use them as if they are objectively true?  Obviously not. ::::I don't believe the word is forbidden on Wikipedia, I already said that.  But we have a guideline called ``words to avoid``.  It doesn't say ``avoid these words, unless you really want to use them``, it doesn't say ``avoid these words unless you see them in external sources``, it says ``avoid these words, because they neither impart nor summarise verifiable information``.  The guideline is very long established, and I see no sensible case for an exception here.    `