`  :: Hmm probably time to leave this as I'm not really going to get involved in editing this one. But just two things really - 1) Telaviv1 I think actually articles benefit from having an outside and sometimes sceptical perspective, rather than each group just editing their ``own``, plus as I guess you know it's not so easy to unlock the Israeli and the Palestinian narrative; and 2) Ceedjee, I still disagree that we should exclude a respected academic just because he is not universally respected - especially in this area, where semi-professional campaigns to vilify opponents are whipped up, and where pretty much everything is contested (and I would point out again that Plaut, Dershowitz and others are also fairly extreme activists in my view, without even having the advantage of being professional historians, but the same people who want Pappe excluded will happily shovel in cites to their work in various articles).   `