` :::::::You don't seem to read Roll closely. She refers to Paul de Lagarde in a footnote on p.79 that you cited and yet you do not deal with Metzger's comment on de Lagarde. Dependence on Britannica is a form of Russian roulette. You still haven't given me primary sources, just relatively modern conjectures. Your attempts to confuse the issue with the Julian calendar do not help you, for we are looking for the date as to when Christ's birth first came to be recognized as Dec 25. If you've read the literature you cite you've seen how ``De Pascha Computus`` in 243 dates the birth to March 28 (see Roll p.81f), so obviously Dec 25 birth hadn't been established by then.   `