`  == Questionable cartoon == :Image:BinLadenVictoryOverWTC-AlHayat-12-9-2007.JPG  What does the cartoon caption say? The picture alone is not at all proof of celebrations of the attacks by Palestinians, as the original image caption alleged!   : it says: ``Exclusive to Al Hayat Al Jadida``, when in doubt, try clicking the source file. it also has a note that the PA continues a long tradition of celebrating 9/11. ''''  :: We still have no reliable source saying the cartoon in any way is a celebration. It seems far more likley it is a comment like so many other cartoons. //  —Preceding comment was added at   ::: please go over the source file notes and try to avoid false claims. ''''  :::: As far as I can tell the source is PMW and I don't think they are really reliable. //  —Preceding comment was added at    This cartoon is relevant and it is not acceptable to claim it is not a celebration BUT THIS IS A COPYVIO. We have to delete this or to get permission not from PMW but from the cartoonist who drew this. Good luck.   : i've asked about this on the ``sources talk noticeboard`` (don't remember the shortcut) and was told that i can post it under the copyright i've given... we can open this for talk somewhere though if you're still concerned. ''''   , as have been noted by Alithien, there is very little needed to claim this is a celebration. On top of this, I do believe that PMW is considered reliable (albeit partizan) source for translations and observations on the Palestinian authority, their translations have been used by notables such as CNN and others. if you insist on the claim that ``this is not a celebration``, then please be so kind as to go over WP:RS. If you still believe that you have a case to prove that PMW is non-reliable, feel free to open up a new subsection and i will start an RfC regarding the issue. ''''  : there is a difference between saying it is a ``Palestinian cartoon celebrating`` (i.e. the cartoon or rather the cartoonist and the publishing newspaper that does the celebration) and ``cartoon, showing Bin Laden celebrating`` (that Bin Laden is doing the celebration). //  —Preceding comment was added at  :: umm, this is not bin laden himself, it's a cartoon of his and PMW reports the story. is there some way you'd like to promote this dispute to other people or other reasons before i open a WP:3O or something ? how about a suggested re-write? ''''  ::: So if I find a cartoon of a celebrating Bin Laden in say Washington Post is it Ok to add it to this page saying that Washington Post celebrated 9-11? I don't think so. A rewrite would be a good idea. Here on the talk page the caption says ``Palestinian cartoon, showing Bin Laden celebrating the September 11, 2001 Attacks.`` and that sounds better. But then the cartoon has no real place on the page. //  —Preceding comment was added at  :::: if someone credible reports that the USA celebrated 9-11 and his samples include several cartoons like this one and the others in the PMW article, you are more than welcome to add it also... i'm not into censorship. your suggestion is not half bad though, except where you say it's 'bin laden celebrating' because our source is not just about bin laden - it has more info than just bin laden. maybe we should add a paragraph into the article quickly explaining the PMW article's text so that people won't think this text was only