`  ::Hi, I'm back, and thanks for your post.  I think the issue here is that you are defining the ``rapture`` in a dispensationalist-only way and then asking if anyone but dispensationalists have that belief.  The belief itself has a range of meaning as indicated in the body of this and other similar articles, and I am merely trying to keep the lede in agreement with the entire article, instead of only the dispensationalist section.  To answer your question, a good percentage of Reformed Baptists are ``historic premillenialists``, meaning that they are more in line with the kind of premillenialism that preceded Darby.  Historic Premillenialists certainly do believe in a rapture, but they believe in a Post-Tribulational one.  Charles Haddon Spurgeon was a Post-Tribulational Historic Premillenialist.  Many of the members of the Southern Baptist Founders Conference are as well.  George Eldon Ladd, a prominent evangelical who wrote a popular commentary on Revelation, is also a historic Pre-Millenialist (and a Post-Tribulationist).  I'm not sure if F.F. Bruce is a Post-Millenialist or a Historic Pre-Millenialist from his commentary.Bruce, F. F., Word Biblical Commentaries, Volume 45, pages 102-103  What is evident, however, is that he is a non-Dispensationalist and a Port-Tribulationist.  He clearly links the rapture to the Parousia, cites linking passages such as 1 Corinthians 15 and Matthew 24:30, and even uses the word ``rapture``: ``From the Latin equivalent of harpadzein (rapere) this incident in the Parousia is sometimes called the 'Rapture' (snatching away) of believers`` (page 102).  Louis Berkhof, on the other hand, rejects the concept of a secret rapture in his textbook of Systematic Theology,Berkhof, Louis, Systematic Theology, page 707 on the grounds that he rejects a Premillenial reign.  Nevertheless, he firmly insists that the coming of Christ will involve the resurrection and ingathering of the saints: ``The second coming of Christ, though personal, physical, and visible, will yet be very different from His first coming.  The will not return in the body of His humiliation, but in a glorified body and in royal apparel, Heb. 9:28.  The clouds of heaven will be His chariot, Matt. 24:30, the angels His bodyguard, II Thess. 1:7, the archangels His heralds, I Thess. 4:16, and the saints of God His glorious retinue, I Thess. 3:13; II Thess. 1:10.  He will come as King of kings and Lord of lords, triumphant over al the forces of evil, having put all His enemies under His feet, I Cor. 15:25; Rev. 19:11-16`` (page 706).  I hope this helps.  The Rapture is an important doctrine with a range of beliefs.  It isn't limited to Dispensationalists and isn't even limited to Pre-Millenialists.  Post-Millenialists will sometimes claim it by that very name.  A-Millenialists are not in complete consensus about a physical second coming and are somewhat agnostic about many specifics regarding the end  but even they would link all these events (even if they are figurative) in the concept and passages of the second coming.  Again, my goal is not to keep your information out.  In fact it is very good information, with good citations, that should be in the article.  I'm only asking that you move it to a better place than the lede.  The form of the lede that keeps popping in there is both contradictory to the non-Dispensationalist paragraph, and to the body of this and other similar articles.  Post-Tribulationalists really do exist, and they actually (believe it or not) outnumber Pre and Mid Tribulationalists.  Nevertheless, all viewpoints need to be fairly represented in a balanced NPOV way.  Let's please work together on this because I really like your information and want it to be in the best place possible for the article.  `