`  -  Vidkun,  It looks like we agree more than we disagree. We agree, it's only been *called* Wicca since Gardner. That's what I said before. Witchcraft has indeed been practiced for eons before Gardner. No argument there.  I've already said my piece about initiation and covens. So I won't rehash that. I will add that I feel it's equally valid and important to note that those who aren't in covens are ``initiated`` into Wicca by God and Goddess themselves. That is more important, at least in my opinion, than a coven initiating them.  I will differ with you on one other thing that hasn't been previously discussed. Unless you're referring to orthopraxy on a fairly broad scale, I don't see that as being valid either. Again, the concept ``an it harm none, do as ye will`` would also range to differing practices, ideas, and the like. That phrase, as pointed out, wasn't even coined by Gardner, but Crowley, and even before him.  Blessed be.  Gabhin  `