`:::::I think the second one best summarise as the first is saying is just a few fans that are the problem which is not the case,the second says the problems lie deep within the club and its fan base which is much mroe accurate, i think the best solution to solve this would be to create a sub test page on this talk page to sit and twiddle witht eh current section and bash ideas back and forwards on what should be included then think of way to summarise it like above in your example then think what references would suit the summary and keep going until we have shorten teh entire section to means that both does not censor but still gives a true refelection but is also summairsed downa lot. Do you think that be way forward? Talk:Rangers F.C./Secterism test pageI agree this will be bloody hard to do even harder for me with my writing diffuculties. i also think we should put a current temporary stop to anything new added but keep it for later as this would mean we have to think about how to include it in the shroten version which would cause more problems. So all new things are collect on the test page for inclusion once we have finsed. how does that sound?  -    `