`  == Redundancy: ``Chaldean Assyrians/Nestorian Assyrians/Syriac Assyrians`` ==  This is completely uncalled for. First of all Chaldeans is enough; the Assyrian is implied. Syriac and Assyrian are two terms essentially for the same thing though Assyrian may be disputed by some. ``Nestorian`` Assyrians is altogether incorrect. They are NOT Nestorian. I don't care if they were erroneously called that. When simplifying; they should be reffered to as Assyrian Orthodox or CE [Church of the East] Assyrians [as opposed to Syriac Orthodox] which does not imply Eastern or Oriental Orthodox rather as in the original Church of the East. Nestorian is derogetory. Chaldean is just as erroneous as Nestorian. Chaldean is the fault of the Catholic church and Nestorian is a misnomer from the West to divide Eastern Christians and label some as heretics. Assyrian was added to the title of Church of the East. I bet you did not know that originally the patriarch of the [Uniate] Catholics was called Patriarch of Assyria and only after some generations did it switch [along with the Church affiliations] and become reserved for the CE Assyrians. Originally the Patriarch of Babylon was the title reserved for the CE Assyrians. The majority reaffiliation with Rome wasn't complete until the 19th Century. Now even the CE may become a Uniate church like the Chaldean one and possibly reunite once again piecing together the split that began in the 16th century.   :indeed. I do believe I see through this now. Proper English terminology is probably ``Eastern Assyrians``, ``Western Assyrians`` and ``Chaldeans``. What Elias is giving us is just textbook Assyrianism, which is one perspective of ethnic nationalism, which needless to say Wikipedia's voice shouldn't endorse.    ::So, what if I am actually right, and that the modern Chaldeans, are Assyrians? I mean, it's not like the article is sourced to an academic source, corroborating this. Oh yeah, blame Elias, the evil nationalist who wants to gas the Aramaeans and the Chaldeans. As always, the best thing dab can do, is to resort to ad hominem attacks. Lame. — | 17:00 20 Aug, 2007 (UTC) :::ffs, read this: nobody disputes they are Assyrians alright? They're still not commonly called ``Chaldean Assyrians``. If we were disputing they are Assyrians, we'd remove them from the ``Assyrian people`` category, wouldn't we?    ::::Honestly there are feuds developing within the talk pages where just for the sake of arguement Wikipedians will continously dipsute something that isnt' being dipsuted. This goes for all sides. Cease arguing over nothing and making false claims based on selective reading.   :::::We have a basic understanding so far as to whom the Modern Assyrians are. Syrian [Souryaya] in the Neo-Aramaic/Syriac languages [Soureth/Souryoyo] is whom all refer to themselves as in the native language of the Syriac Christian people similar to how the Germans refer to their country as Deutsche and their nation as Deutschland and in similarity to Greek opposite to Turk it may refer to their religion in correlation with the ethno-religious self-designating nature of the Near Eastern cultures. The disputes thereby lie mainly in exonyms in languages non-native to the Assyrians to which has also has revived internally the disputes. Aramaean historically has referred to the Aramaic-speaking peoples in a similar fashion to how Britons may also be called English akin to how Assyrians may be called Syriacs or even Aramaeans due to in part by their native language. Claiming descent by fulling claiming to be one of the ancients over the other is nonsensical due to the impossibility of confirming such claims either by DNA or other means. The overall concensus is that all these terms inlcuding Chaldean refer to the same people. Thru time however these different groups have somewhat evolved independantly of each other though not to the extent to be considered seperate people but rather sub-groups of the Syriac Christians that are divided by Christian denomination, dialectal differences in language, and geographical location specifically village of origin which may span several countries where the Assyrian empire and it's sister states and satelite states once stood ground.   ffs, read this: nobody disputes they are Assyrians alright? — Pseudo-Aramaeans and pseudo-Chaldeans do. ''They're still not commonly