   ==Please edit the article==  No I'm serious 13,000 Kb have been added to the talk page. I'm not saying that the discussion isn't productive, but I really think we need to start adding sourced information to the article, let's let the sources settle the points of debate. I've been watching this talk page grow all week, anticipating some kind of great new idea for improving this subject, but I don't know, are we going in circles?   