` {| class=``messagebox`` |- |  | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the [ current talk page]. |}__NOEDITSECTION__  ==Thornton's argument==  I don't believe I removed sourced quotes. I just added some more. If I did remove some it was by mistake and I apologize, but looking back, I see Wohl's quote is still there. If you think Thornton's argument is expanded too much then it would be better to shorten it a little rather than delete it all. If you think sourced quotes are removed, then put them back in, because it wasn't done on purpose. If you don't think Bruce Thornton is good enough for this article, then you can look up ``Love, Sex and Marriage - a Guide to the Private Life of the Ancient Greeks`` by Nikos Vrissimtzis which has been translated into 5 languages. There is more work but I think the way Thornton's argument is stated in the article best encompasses these views, and best explains modern Greek views on the subject.   If you are interested in the work of Nikos Vrissimtzis which has been praised by those who support his theories and strongly criticized by those who oppose them you can see the following BBC article on his book.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/428798.stm      :I was mistaken; you didn't remove any sourced quotes. My edit summary was wrong. My apologies.  :However, you are trying to restore an edit that was placed by a known sockpuppet. I won't revert again, but that is basically why I suspected your edit.     ::Just in case anyone is wondering, my previous comment does not mean that I agree with Cretanpride's edits, it simply meant that I regretted posting an erroneous edit summary, and that I wasn't going to continue an edit war with a sockpuppet. I certainly don't think the edit should stay.      ::I don't understand why it is so difficult to add an alternate theory in the article. Sources were given and everything was stated from a neutral point of view. Noone gave any reason as to why it should not be included. You all just yelled SOCKPUPPET!! and that was your defense. Sources were given (Thornton, David Victor Hanson, Mary Lefkowitz) If they are not enough than you can look up Nikos Vrissimtzis. There are scholars that argue the point that was expressed in the edit. Why was it reverted? What was wrong with it? Why was it so bad, it all had to go? It was sourced and explained from a neutral point of view. It improved the article.    :::At this point, Cretan, your edits are being reverted not because of their content but because you are making them.  You have exhausted the community's patience, and have been banned; you no longer have the right to edit Wikipedia.  The merit of your contributions, or lack thereof, no longer matters; in this case, ``sockpuppet`` is an adequate reason to revert contributions.  :::That said, I think that there are indeed a few grains of worthwhile content in Cretanpride's screed.  I see two points which probably merit inclusion: 1) the support of Thornton's position by Hanson and Lefkowitz, who are notable scholars and (in Hanson's case) public figures, and 2) the book by Vrissimtzis and the public response to it in Greece, as evidenced by the BBC article and also these articles from the Guardian (you may need to register to read them).  I don't see any evidence that Vrissimtzis has posed a serious challenge to the scholarly consensus, but if the book was as much of a hit in Greece as these articles indicate, it's worth mention.  :::Finally, we probably should acknowledge that both sides of the debate have attempted to use their own interpretations of history to support their positions in the modern-day culture wars.  One side happens to have much more solid scholarship to support it, but it would be foolish to deny that LGBT advocates have used the Dover/Halperin interpretation for political purposes as much as the Greek nationalists and anti-LGBT activists have used the Georgiadis/Vrissimtzis interpretation.  :::Let me stress that I do not support Cretanprid