, 15 September 2009 (UTC)  :No, because as far as I am concerned it doesn't apply to the other citation templates. I am talking only about news sources, which have their own date. My concerns don't apply to  because, as I have said all along, many web-only citations may well benefit from having the access date given, in so far as access dates are ever useful to anybody. I never remove the access date if there is no clear date on the page linked to. What I want above all is for people to cite news sources adequately, with or without a citation template. When you complained about my edits at Eurostar some weeks ago, I was removing the access dates only from newspaper and magazine and press-release citations pointing to articles with their own publication date, where it seems to me that having an access date as well is superfluous and just risks confusing the reader. I did not remove access dates in that article from other citations, e.g. to web pages which are not news articles. (Here is the diff if you don't believe me.)    10:33