`  == At the time of John Calvin's birth Noyon was NOT in France. ==  In the Noyon link it reads as follows...  '``Having been ravaged by Habsburg troops in 1552, Noyon was sold to France in 1559, under the conditions of the Treaty of Cateau-Cambrésis``'  John Calvin was born in Noyon on the 10th of July 1509   Nyon was sold/annexed into France on the aforesaid ``1559`` date above - 50 whole years after John Calvins life - infact the bulk of it!  Something needs to be reworded but somehow I get the feeling noone here give a flabbertoss. Sigh. :Picardy seems to say that France captured the region in 1477 from Burgundy. Who owned it in 1509?     Hullo, where exactly in the Picardy wiki link does it seemingly say Nyon was captured by France? - anyway, the act of say Argentina capturing Port Stanley doth not make Port Stanley a part of Argentina. Anyway, why have you brought the aforesaid up, when the Nyon wiki link itself mentions a veriviable treaty. Nyon was obviously in either the Spanish Netherlands or Flanders, or somesuch at the time, NOT France. John Calvin would be 50 years old! before his birthplace, Nyon, was forced into France! He probs felt more at home with both the Dutch and the English of Doway before France - SOMEONE PLEASE REFLECT THIS ON THIS WIKI PAGE. :I haven';t seen anything that shows Noyon was not in France in 1509. It may have been captured/sold several times in that time period.     Rmhermen, you don't make sense - how can you say ``you haven't seen anything that shows Noyon was not in France in 1509`` when both the Noyon wiki, and Treaty of Cateau-Cambresis wiki pages cleary state otherwise. Go read them, and then have the decency to get back to me...  ps watch out for sad little Francophone nationalists whom love spiking and corrupting English language wikis with their sad French imperialism and believe it or not, their sad cringeworthy Germanic-wannabeism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by      :I would suggest that instead of writing our interpretations of Calvin's feelings(he probs felt more at home with both the Dutch and the English of Doway before France), that we use what published sources state and nothing more. As for where Calvin was born; :* The Cambridge Companion to John Calvin, by Donald K. McKim, page 277, ``Jean Calvin was born on July 10, 1509 in the small French town of Noyon...[]...but the fact that Calvin was a Frenchman..`` :*Conflict, Conquest, and Conversion: Two Thousand Years of Christian Missions, by Eleanor H. Tejirian, Reeva Spector Simon, page 57, ``John Calvin was born Jean Cauvin in Noyon, France, in 1509...`` :*The Reformation of Rights, by John Witte, page 42, ``John Calvin was born in 1509 in Noyon, France...``     YOUR HAVING A LAUGH  I knew I was right! is that all your got...(you and your cherypickings are right and an historical document/treaty is wrong!)? I'm going to 'interpret your feelings' and say you don't even believe John Calvin was born in France, do you - hence you haven't even got the guts (or decency) to use that crude little attempt of yours on both the 'Nyon' and 'Treaty of Cateau Cambresis' wiki pages. Feel free to argue that the Treaty of Cateau Cambresis is a fraud and that John Calvin's birthplace was never sold to France, and at that, 50 YEARS AFTER JOHN CALVIN'S BIRTH!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by      :Since you have presented no sources to back your rantings, you really have nothing to discuss.    :You seem to miss the option that Noyon may have been captured from France after Calvin's birth and sold back at that later date.     Your trying so hard. Read this selfsame article, the Nyon article and the Treaty Cateau-Cambrés article - Noyon was NOT taken FROM France after Calvin's birth - Noyon was sold to France 50 years after John Calvin's birth. I am