 :Hey, folk are going to start calling you Respectable Joe soon! Thanks for the spot of refereeing. :It is a lot harder to change policy than it is to defend it. Your help at the policy talkpage (er, I'm bored with making all the links - they can be found at mine and other editors talkpages) would be helpful. To be honest, though, it is going to have to be civil and all that stuff, cos some of the other lot will just use poor behaviour as an excuse to disregard valid points. If you can't find your own references or ideas, just support the ones you agree with. :Actually, you may be able to help! Do you have any siblings who are doing, or have recently done, English Language GCSE? Or any of your fellow students. Can you find any decent course books which show how proper nouns are dealt with? Whilst style might vary with fashions, education sticks with the standards of the age. A course reference book may well help our cause.  