  == climate change ==  dear Teo64x   could you please explain to me how can we strictly mathematically correlate with absolute certainty, global warming to the raging fires? or drinking too much beer to frequent visits to the bathroom? -) Yes an absolute a strict causal link,a 1-1 or not mapping of the former to the latter is somewhat impossible , at the present a bit irrelevant,perhaps misleading or wrong. And anyway correlation is not causation.  After all most of the fires were caused by arsoning ,negligence or stupidity. After all we the modern Greeks,we the neohellenes, are famous for our organisational skills. -) After all ... So what?  Mathematical austerity ,a strict and precise proof isn't the point here. Common sense is. I'm not saying that science is wrong or inadequate  but that the system is too complex if you get what I mean. Strictly sticking to wiki rules about original research is a little bit too much here.  If you disapprove mentioning of global warming and weather conditions reflecting on the use of the latter by the goverment and the politicians in general as an excuse then I must note that  it surely isn't one. To hell with them,they're useless,totally incompetent. (To hell with us also since WE elect them and since WE built houses on scorched earth etc...)  But IMO not mentioning climate change for these reasons equals to supporting  stupid politicians and pseudo-financial interests. Recall that scientists had warned the public long before the summer that due to climate change any fire (whatever would it be it's cause,man or nature) would be a grave danger due  to the predicted extreme weather conditions. And that they were totally ignored,the men in charge assuring us that Alles war in Ordnung, and we the demos resting assure drinking frappe by the beach.  Remember that most of the Balkans,Italy,etc  have been ravaged by fire this summer. Were all those fires caused by arsoning? And what were the effects,the scale of the arson-caused fires of the past? Recall also that a many of the fires,not to mention of the major ones, were caused by negligence and not by arsoning, and that they spreaded and expanded over huge areas due to the weather etc.  Try to think of the fires in Greece abstractly ,both as one of the  causes and of the effects  of the anthropogenic shift of the subtropical zone towards the north. Think of what would happen if it had rained normally during the past year. If the three heat waves hadn't passed through Greece. Think of what will happen at automn,at winter after the rains. Or next year when  we'll probably run out of water etc etc... Try not to see the tree and miss the forest.   Anyway I wrote the above as fuel, as food for thought of things to come. I think we have a disagreement on semantics, I believe that in essence we all agree.   | 