` lot of her work, including her Italian-Catholic upbringing, her rebellion against her strict heavily religious Italian father, and the Catholic Church, Rome, the Pope, everything.  I understand that Madonna has been inspired by other cultures in her work, but nothing is more present than her own Italian heritage.  Italians do it better, anyone?  It's a good subject to keep.   :Fair enough.  But why does it need it's own subheading?  If there is a point to be made, can't it be made in the general discussion of her work?  Or  if there was a new section that discussed her cultural influence/references/reactions for and against her/criticisms etc, which I think is needed anyhow  could it be better discussed as part of a wider context?    :You probably have a point, although, Madonna's Italian-Catholic background has spanned all through her entire career.  If it doesn't get a category, where exactly should it go?    ::there's no hard and fast rule, so we can be somewhat creative, and that's the really exciting part of it - we come up with something good and maybe it will inspire other editors to use our ideas in other articles. Some other featured articles have a broad section that allows for discussion of wider themes.  Examples  Mariah Carey has a ``themes and musical style`` section.  Madonna could have ``themes and influences`` perhaps - in this we could discuss her Italian heritage/references, along with her religious and sexual themes plus whatever else we think important.  Rather than put a microscope on one theme, which is inherently POV, create a section in which the various themes could be discussed.  We could probably bring the Kabbalah section into it as well.   By POV I mean if we have a section about Italian influences, we also need to have one about Catholicism and one about sexuality. Kylie Minogue has ``image and celebrity status``, The Beatles has ``influences and music``, Vivien Leigh (ok she's an actress but even so....) has ``Critical comments``.  Madonna is such an interesting and original personality and the article does not yet address this in any depth.  It's still all about the hit singles.  I'd love about half of the blow by blow commentary on her singles etc to be moved into her discography, and the individual album and singles pages, so that there is room to discuss what she really is about.  That's just my thought, and my hope, but I can see myself being overruled on it. Sorry, I don't mean to go off onto a tangent, but I see this as a way of keeping the Italian influence stuff, but making it more meaningful and putting it into a more relevant context.  I think it would improve the article.    I think a section on her ``themes and influences`` would be a good addition to the article. I agree that Madonna is a very interesting  person and that she has taken a lot of influences from all different places and incorporated them into her music and videos. The section could talk about her Italian, religious and Kabbalah influences. I also think that her position in popular culture should be discussed as well, as she is seen by many as a pop culture icon.     She's also had many Latin influences also. I also like the idea about a section about ``themes and influences`` or at least about ``influences``.    :I can't believe this is being debated. She has stated many times that she wouldn't be as successful as she is today if not for her father's influence. She has stated that her father is the son of poor Italian immigrants who instilled in her father a strong work ethic. Much of her career is founded on a rebellion against her father and the Catholic Church. Her father is Italian American, and his brand of Catholicism is the Italian brand (there is a difference between Italian Catholic, Mexican Catholic, Irish Catholic, etc.). In 1990, when the Pope called for a ban of Blond Ambition, Madonna said it really hurt because she's Italian. (I think he even attempted to make it illegal for Madonna to step foot in Italy.)   :So, let's recount: her entire career is based on the influence of her father, a man who is full-blooded Italian. Is it really such a stretch, then, to think that her Italian heritage may've had an influence on her life and career? She very rarely explicitly says so, but she doesn't really need to. Actually, she has said so, but apparently some of you consider the times she has said so to constitute trivial ``grasping`` at things Italian. Um ... such as her very name? Is that trivial grasping? I can't fathom a more Italian sounding name than ''Madonna Ciccon