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Macroevolution theorizes that there is a common ancestor to all vertebrates. The test is that if this were true all vertebrates would share similarities. Since it upholds to this test, all vertebrate are similar it gains support as a theory. You claim to be friends with science. That is how science works. If a theory upholds to tests and gives consistent results, it gains support.

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== hello dan! == i am esther and i from spain,i have curly hear and i dont like the chocolat, but i like gominols. i love your films and i think you are excellent!, i dont like boys to his hear is fair,but i like the boys to his hear is black. i sinpatic but i dont talk very good spanish, sorry, jajajja. PLEASE, CONTEST ME! THANK YOU! ESTHER FUENTES, PDS:I´VE GOT 13 YEARS OLD. GOOD BAY!

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` == Info and links == * The Cause for Invasion :``The goal was to remake the political landscape—to drive out the Palestine Liberation Organization and install a right-wing Christian Lebanese leader prepared to sign a peace deal with Israel. But Operation Peace for Galilee ended in failure.`` :``Israel launched operation ``Peace for Galilee`` and invaded Lebanon in 1982 in what was sold to the Israeli public as a bid to drive the Palestine Liberation Organization back from the northern border. Sharon went on to drive the PLO out of Lebanon and to try to install a more friendly regime there. ... The Israelis stayed, and their effort to install a new regime ended in disaster.`` * The Invasion was planned :``When, in early June 1982, terrorists of the Abu Nidal organization, a PLO splinter group, badly wounded the Israeli ambassador in London during an assassination attempt, Israel seized the pretext for launching its long-planned offensive.`` * The Invasion was opposed by the US and the UN: :* See ``U.N. Security Council Resolution 509`` :*``On June 6, President Reagan, in France to meet with the G-7 Heads of Government at the Versailles Economic Summit, dispatched Habib to Israel to try to restore the cease-fire. That same day the United States joined a unanimous U.N. Security Council Resolution demanding that Israel withdraw from Lebanon and that the border cease-fire be observed by all parties.`` * Other details: :``September 15, 1982: Ariel Sharon arrives in Beirut to personally direct the IDF campaign ... The IDF launches sporadic shellfire at Sabra and Shatila.`` :``September 15, 1982: An Israeli divisional intelligence officer, providing an update briefing on the situation in the camps, reports to the Chief of Staff: ``It seems there are no terrorists there, in the camp; Sabra camp is empty.`` (Kahan Commission Final Report, p. 24). :``Two Israeli paratroopers tell correspondent Michael Gerti: On Thursday evening, as darkness fell, Palestinian women from Shatila arrived at the post and hysterically told us that the Phalangists were shooting their children and putting the men in trucks. I reported this to my commander, but all he said was: 'It is okay, do not worry.' My order was to tell the women to go back home. However, many women, and entire families as well, ran away from the camps to the north. I went back and repeated my report over and over. Each time, however, the answer was the same: ``It is okay.``...It was possible to stop the massacre in Shatila, even on Thursday; had they acted on what we reported to our commander. (Ha'aretz, September 23, 1982).`` 05:25, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)`

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`What about the PA32-260 and PA32-300 models in the late 60's and early 70's? They, too, were called ``Cherokee 6's``.`

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Italian, French, some Arabic and a bit of Maltese.

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Sorry that was a typo on my part. I meant to say Trademark. .

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:It's not 100% clear, but there was a white flash while riding in the Osprey. I don't remember if there is dialog in HL2 that would clarify.

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new york i got 100 guns a hundred clips nigga, i'm from new york new york ja rule ft. fat joe and jadakiss - new york

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` This article talks specifically about Israeli violence, so most contents belongs here, with perhaps some subarticles on long subjects. P.S. There is nothing POV about this factual title. It does not state ``Israeli violence targeted at children``, does it. 05:32, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)`

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` I wrote to `` Tina Kimmel `` < Tina @T Motherlove . Org > who referred me to `` Amber Craig `` < Ambercraig @T Nc . Rr . Com > who referred me to `` Norm Cohen `` < NormCohen @T NOCIRCofMI . org > who sent me this: October 2004 Suffering at the Breast is Not Best La Leche League Censors While Mothers and Sons Suffer To La Leche League Board of Directors, Staff, Leaders, Members, and Alumnae: In a shocking display of mixing with religious causes, La Leche League’s Board of Directors has let a small group of women defeat the free exchange of information on circumcision’s negative impact on breastfeeding success. In April of 2003, NOCIRC signed a contract with La Leche League International as an exhibitor and paid for exhibit space for their international conference held in July 2003. Shortly before the event, the board of directors vetoed our admission as exhibitors. Word of our attendance had spread to a minority of Jewish women in the organization who objected to our very presence. NOCIRC has exhibited successfully at literally hundreds of conferences locally, regionally, and nationally. We are asked back year after year. Without religious prejudice, we provide information about the traumatic effects of circumcision. We hand out our information pamphlets in a non-confrontational manner to those who approach our table because they are interested in learning about the issue. Each year, we have a well-received exhibit booth for physicians attending the American Academy of Pediatrics national conference. NOCIRC already counts among its supporters hundreds of LLL members and former members. The silent majority of leaders within League are already on our side. Attendees who were interested would have appreciated our information; those who were not interested would have just walked on by. The vast majority of boys who are circumcised in the United States are not sons of Jewish or Muslim parents. Preventing these non-religious circumcisions has always been the primary focus for NOCIRC. This painful surgery, the most common procedure that baby boys are forced to experience, puts breastfeeding success at risk. Good chest-to-chest positioning requires mom to press her son’s wounded penis up against her body, and the pain makes him unable or unwilling to nurse. La Leche League reported problems with breastfeeding by circumcised infants in their 1981 edition of The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding. In 1996, LLL ratified the Mother-Friendly Childbirth Initiative, along with 25 other organizations. The organization accepted ten basic principles for mother-friendly care, including the requirement that service providers must “discourage non-religious circumcision of the newborn.” (on-line at ). The breastfeeding relationship does not begin in a vacuum. In 2002, NOCIRC issued its position statement, “The Effects of Circumcision on Breastfeeding,” available at . Researchers have found that some male babies are unable to suckle the mother’s breast after circumcision. The circumcised infant is in pain and is in an exhausted, weakened, and debilitated condition. The circumcision procedure frequently causes the newborn to withdraw from his environment, interfering with his process of bonding and breastfeeding. La Leche League claims it is a non-sectarian organization. However, when it comes to circumcision, it is a religious organization. A few powerful members are keeping clinical data regarding breastfeeding obstacles out of the hands of all members in order to further their personal religious viewpoint. For six years now they have systematically excluded NOCIRC from simply having a table at their area and national conferences. The Board of Directors has placed a higher priority on protecting religious circumcision than on breastfeeding success for the 94% of non-Jewish, non-Muslim moms. Jewish boys have seven days to establish breastfeeding before undergoing surgery; non-Jewish boys do not because they are circumcised at birth, and thus they are at a greater risk. The Board’s action is hypocritical in light of LLL’s own struggle with those who block the promotion of breastfeeding benefits for fear of upsetting parents. LLL has itself been accused of producing guilt when they describe the advantages of breastfeeding in much the same way that NOCIRC is now being accused by LLL. LLL has an obligation to its members to make available information on how circumcision affects breastfeeding. New and expectant moms need this information ASAP in order to nurture a successful breastfeeding relationship with their sons. NOCIRC can help to insure that this happens. T

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should be used. I know this sounds redundant, but it is more accurate.

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` (Comments by ) :Could you please provide a reference for these claims? In particular the claim about the Chernobyl accident could really use some support. Certainly the core material did melt, and was found in the basement, so it's not clear in what sense this should be removed from the list of meltdowns. Certainly this contradicts our article on the subject: ::``[T]he fourth reactor of the Chernobyl power plant [...] suffered a catastrophic nuclear meltdown that resulted in a series of explosions and fire.`` :and, later, ::``[T]he fuel rods began to melt [...]``. :If you have references to cite, that would be great, as we could fix both articles. Until then, I'll leave this article in agreement with Chernobyl accident. `

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` == WikiProject Wiki Syntax == Good morning. Thank you for helping to clean up the Wikisyntax. I was not aware of that effort until I saw some of your edits. I do, however, have to disagree with some of the minor changes you've been making in a couple of paragraphs where the author/editor has chosen to itemize his/her arguments. For example, at Bee learning and communication, someone wrote ``The primary lines of evidence used by the odor plume advocates are 1) clinical experiments with odorless sugar sources which show that worker bees are unable to recruit to those sources and 2) logical difficulties of a small-scale dance...`` You changed those to ``(1)...`` and ``(2)...``. This may be a small point, but I believe it is stylistically incorrect. Surrounding the number on both sides generally indicates a footnote, not a segmented argument. I'm guessing that this is going to create some false positives on the automated list of possible syntax errors but I'm going to revert those changes. I've made a comment on the project's Talk page about the problem as I see it. Thanks. `

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::: Yes. See paradigm shift. |

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` Kia ora, ``Palmerstonian``! Been active for at least two weeks and nobody has put any criticisms on your talk page!! Well, I don't want to be the first, so I'll just say I have enjoyed a number of refreshment stops and done a bit of land surveying in Palmerston, New Zealand. My daughter, Annabel, is the current ``voice`` of Arena Manawatu; but maybe you don't listen to commercial radio. Impressive list of proposed projects you have, and remarkable list of achievements in such a short time! Doubtless our paths will cross (or at least meet in a friendly way) from time to time. `

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. See the GFDL article for additional information on the problems with the GFDL

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` ::So what are documenting? What the Kalima is called? Or what a committee of Arabic scholars would recommend that 1.2 billion people should be saying? Almost every Muslim I have met in Africa, South Asia, Arabia, and North America will never have heard of that way of referring to it. And I am talking about Arabic speakers, too. ::My apologies if that sounds testy, and I hate to say this to you, but the logic above sounds very like the argument from the other side in the ``discussion`` on the definition of ``Islamism``—that since it should ``technically`` mean that, we should use the technical definition in this encyclopedia as the ``official`` meaning.— `

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==The Humungous Image Tagging Project== Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, , which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes

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I'm uber-anal about my AFI

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` ::::Ah yes, resort to the ad hominem method of arrogance that we've all become so familiar with on this page. Now I'm an ``ignorant skeptic``. Thank you very much. But I do not buy it. I do not accept that the status of belief in infants is scientifically falsifiable. Just how exactly do you prove it one way or the other? I'm not saying that infants or children are born with any specific beliefs in any specific gods, but there has been research that indicates humans have a predisposition to what some call magical thinking, which by some accounts, is what got humans to belief in gods. ≠ `

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` == this is a joke, okay? == Darling, by DELETING an important poll on the Talk:Jesus page you have made it clear that you are a VANDAL and I will no longer recognize your existence. Some people do believe that 1+1 does not equal 2 and you cannot CENSOR me for making that point. As a matter of fact I can provie it right now: ==people who agree Eequor is a Vandal== # ==people who do not agree Eequor is a Vandal== # ==people who disagree that EEquor is a Vandal== # SEE! Now I bet you will delete this also! Which just proves you are a vandal! To summarize *Jesus told koans *is ``does 1+1 not equal 2`` not a koan? *arguments against me *I defend myself *some VANDAL deletes the arguments against me *I defend myself again If you do or do not reply to this I will request a comment or arbitration or both but not at exactly the same time and I can prove it. Darling. `

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`AndyL, I have deleted your reference to the Canadian Red Ensign and the ``Zundel People``. I shall keep doing so. EVERYDAY.... If I have to. FOREVER. Next up, You can ``expect`` nothing. Some ``wing-dings`` have put up the Red Ensign at this idiots rally once in a while,.... SO WHAT,....? That does NOT make the Red Ensign theirs. Why do you try so hard to link the Red Ensign to this bunch of nut-bags,...? The Red Ensign is a cherished symbol of Canada. I'm trying to protect it from getting slandered by reckless people like you. So AndyL,... why do you keep going to the effort of linking the Red Ensign to ``Zundel-people``,....? Why make such a big effort to link such insignificant ``sightings of the Red Ensign`` at Zundel rallies,...? Well,...? Eh,...? Why,...? I am prepared to continue this ``debate/deleting`` of the Red Ensign racist-group linking, AD-NAUSEIUM, AD-INFINITUM. ArmChairVexillologistDon `

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== Hi! I'm sure you know that there is a deletion process. If you want to keep an article, feel free to vote for it, but don't removed it, that is abuse of process. Thanks,

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` ==Montrealais=== I shall be direct, You clearly have a sound knowledge of Vexillology (study of Flags), and can understand that linking a Flag to ``group`` can be unjustified. You value the Quebec Flag,... you would not want to have it ``dragged through the mud`` unfairly. I request a similiar ``consideration`` for the Canadian Red Ensign (flown 1867-1964 AD). We are not children here,... I would not want to see this get ``out-of-hand``. Sincerely, and respectfully, ArmChairVexillogistDon ==Canadian Red Ensign== I am ArmChairVexillologistDon, I am a hobbiest in Heraldy, and Vexillology, I am very well read on those subjects. Yesterday I noted a slanderous reference, linking the Canadian Red Ensign to Neo-Facists groups. I did not appreciate the reference, not one little bit. I posted some information in that regard. Specifically a web-site link to the Great Canadian Flag Debate. The Canadian Government uncharacteristically saw fit to keep an accurate archive, detailing those important events. At any rate, you decided to remove my ``contribution``. However you decided to leave the ``disputed`` reference linking the Canadian Red Ensign to the Neo-Facists groups. I was not pleased that you choose to remove my ``contribution``, and then decided that the Neo-Facist comment could stay. I decided then, if my comments were to go, then the Neo-Facist comments were to go as well. I thus have deleted them. I don't usually get involved in things such as this, but Heraldy and Vexillology are two of my dearest passions. So, my comments are gone fine, but why was the Neo-Facist comment left by you? ArmChairVexillologistDon I expect the picture below will be accepted as proof Ernst Zundel.]] _____ _____ == Rebutal-of-Rebutal == Dec 11, 2004 AD, AndyL, I have deleted your reference to the Canadian Red Ensign and the ``Zundel People``. I shall keep doing so. EVERYDAY.... If I have to. FOREVER. Next up, You can ``expect`` nothing. Some ``wing-dings`` have put up the Red Ensign at this idiots rally once in a while,.... SO WHAT,....? That does NOT make the Red Ensign theirs. Why do you try so hard to link the Red Ensign to this bunch of nut-bags,...? The Red Ensign is a cherished symbol of Canada. I'm trying to protect it from getting slandered by reckless people like you. So AndyL,... why do you keep going to the effort of linking the Red Ensign to ``Zundel-people``,....? Why make such a big effort to link such insignificant ``sightings of the Red Ensign`` at Zundel rallies,...? http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/aug10_rally.html Well,...? Eh,...? Why,...? Austrian Flags at Zundel Rallies http://zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/free_zundel_rally_nov23.html Austria: Index of All Pages Österreich http://flagspot.net/flags/at-index.html#land Austrian (Austro-Hungarian), and German Flags are the most varied in the World. If you KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT FLAGS (which you obviously do not) you would know that some block-head waving a Flag does NOT make it theirs. I am prepared to continue this ``debate/deleting`` of the Red Ensign racist-group linking, AD-NAUSEAM, AD-INFINITUM. ArmChairVexillologistDon `

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`::::::::You incorrectly infer from the agreement to include other pictures that all editors have agreed to delete the photo you propose to delete. There was no consensus to delete the photo. There was your demand that that the photo was unrepresentative and there were other editors acting to find photos to assuage your demands by providing other photos that would meet your demands. That doesn't imply agreement with your demand to delete a factual photo. It is not an explicit expression of consensus. At least on other editor involved in the discussion at that time - Tareq - is disputing your assertion of consensus and I am disputing your claims that the photo is ``unrepresentative``, the basis for deleting it, and the existence of your alleged consensus now. The picture of the Wall that you want to delete is very significant. It shows the ugliness of the Israeli wall. There is no rule that says photos must be representative. A photo is a factual representation of the facts. This is aone part of the wall. Deleting it is a form of cesorship of the reality of the Wall in at least some places. In any case, how is representativeness determined? Your opinion does not suffice. What percentage of the wall is fence and what percent is wall? What is the representative appearance in populated areas? What is considered a representative portion? What are the future final plans for the wall's appearance? The photo will be returned top the article without deleting any other photo. Adding information is preferable to deleting information. `

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` ::::::There is nothing inherently POV about discussing Israeli violence against Palestinian children. It is a fact. It is a recognized problem as the data in the article reflects. We don't balance articles about Nazi concentration camps by renaming it ``Violence in the Nazi-Jewish conflict`` and then inserting sections about Jewish uprisings against the Nazis in order to deflect attention from Nazi atrocities and paint the deaths of oppressed Jews and oppressing Nazis as if they are equivalent. That is what the WikiZionists intend to do. They want to rename this article to something ``neutral`` (i.e. something that doesn't reflect the facts about Israeli atrocities against Palestinian children) and then pad it with sensationalized Zionist POV sections about Palestinian resistance to Zionist aggression. They already have plenty of Zionist POV articles smearing all palestinians as fanatic terrorists rather than victims of Zionist terrorism. This is one article devoted to documenting the facts about Israeli violence against Palestinian children. `

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:Excellent work, very well done. Thank you for your effort!

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::::::The consensus is un your imagination. You made your usual POV demands and reasonable people tried to ignore them, as usual. That's not a consensus. That's normal editors trying to deal with an agreesive POV pushing bully. There was never an explicit consensus and you haven't been able to show one. There is certainly no consensus now. If you want to establish a Zionist consensus, you will have to work harder to have me and all other reasonable editors banned.

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` § I got in touch with the owner of the website mentioned above, and he has offered to e-mail me a scanned copy of the map in the book illustration, which shows an intermediate band where the white band occurs near the northern tip of Africa. I had a closer look at the maps I found in the library, and none of them improves on what was in that website. The one major difference that a revised map probably ought to take account of is the division of Australia into two regions. I'll make overlays to check, but it looks like the only other changes involve reducing 8 zones to 5. If you check out the Cavelli-Sforza map (which I now think is a photo reproduction of the original map) you can easily understand why authors would decide to simplify the number of zones Cavelli-Sforza's map is o.k. for the lighter half of the shades of skin color, but the darker shades are practically indistinguishable. Sometimes, if you know where to look, you will see what looks like a little halftoning rather than straight black ink. But for practical purposes the map is pretty useless outside of the values that are shown in the Americas. § In a way it was a good thing that the original map was so washed out. If I hadn't really looked carefully at it I'm pretty sure I'd have missed the white band. The uncorrected map has propagated so many places on the WWW that it's hard to believe the original maker of the digitized image has any objection to others using it. ==Cleanup== We need to clean up the article. The sections should only treat what it says they do in the section title. For example, there shouldn't be a paragraph `` :``In everyday speech, race is often used to describe populations that are better defined as ethnic groups...`` at the end of ``History of the term``. Nor should the ``Anthropology and genetics`` section, being placed after the history section, i.e. we are through with the historical aspect now, begin with :``In the 19th century many natural scientists made three claims about race: ...`` (i.e. this bit still belongs in the 'history' section). Also the case studies (USA, Brazil) should either be exported to special articles, or at least be placed after the more general phylogenetic subsection. Somebody should read the entire article and weed out repetitions, too. == Von Luschan scale == § The von Luschan scale was a manufactured set of standard tiles that were colored so that a researcher could in relatively rapid order sort through his/her tiles and find the one that came closest to matching a given subject's skin color. Essentially the same method is still used today, at least in this increasingly anti-scientific nation, by dentists who want to match ceramic material used for making fillings with the color of their patient's tooth. They have a little cabinet full of ceramic ``teeth`` on little spindles. Each specimen has a different combination of hue and brightness from the others. Although one could easily create an electronic device to measure these factors to tighter tolerances, the low-tech device seems to meet professional standards. Similarly, given the fact that a subject's skin color could vary considerably due to contingent factors such as season and weather patterns, the von Luchan tiles probably provide all the accuracy that is useful. `

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` ::There is no difference in rhetoric. The quote that Jayjg took out of context was a citation from the Qur'an that Hamas uses (also out of context) to justify the killing of Jews. Zionists use similar tactics (that's where Hamas learned it) by quoting the Torah and Talmud to justify the killing of non-Jews. ``We must treat the Arabs like the Amalekites`` is a common sentiment among extremist Zionists. There are quotes from Zionist rabbis on this page that are indistinguishable from the logic of Hamas clerics. The denial of Zionism's genocidal intent and practice is similar to Nazis who denied the Holocaust and Final Solution even as they conducted it. Zionists claim to be ethical and humanitarian while routinely killing hundreds of children, imprisoning thousands of adults and oppressing millions of non-Jews in the name of their Jewish supremacist ideology and state. `

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Your comments on my discussion page are rude, arrogant, bullying and totally inappropriate. Napoleon complex is a stub and you might learn something about yourself by improving it, little boy.

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::What's ironic, you're actually a girl?

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` You abused your authority by blocking me improperly,, then you refused to apologize (“So tough”), then you tried to bully me (``Do not revert like you have been ever again. Understood?`` and now you are threatening me (``I'm not suggesting this time: I'm telling you: you need to change the way you edit. Now.``). Viriditas did for activity that was not a violation of the three revert rule - and . Then he and Jayjg and sockpuppet friend continued to guard the Zionist hatchet job on Yasser Arafat preventing other editors from altering it and you dutifully protected the article for them while blocking me. You admit to being biased against me and then you block me and protect the Zionist version of Yasser Arafat. I think the question should be, ``who the hell do you think you are?`` `

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` ::You are not worth the effort. You are arguing like Viriditas and Pename now. 24 hours really means 24 and a half hours. Four reverts in more than 24 hours is violating the ``spirit`` of the three revert in 24 hour rule - as interpreted by you. ``So tough.`` Who needs rules? Just make it up as you go along and do what you want - call it ``discretion``. You violate the rules by blocking me then claim I violated the ``spirit of the rule.`` Your violation is ``debatable`` like the Occupied Territories are ``disputed.`` You are just abusing your authority to push your petty authoritarian agenda that obviously reflects your personal insecurities. You think you can threaten and bully me. ``And I guess you won't be reverting so quickly in future, will you now?`` What a weasel. Please go ahead and contribute your petty complaints to ban me so I don't bother wasting my time on a project populated by immature arrogant twerps, fascist Zionist bigots, Islamophobe hate-mongers, bunch of lameass bigots and losers. Why waste my time? `

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Why is an archaic definition, ending with blatant anti-Catholic bigotry, in the Wikipedia?

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` :With the current version there are problems with Arizona and Texas (at least with NS 7, W98, and ``classic`` skin - seems ``nowrap`` fails to have any effect). Also note that with this version most entries fit in the left half of the horizontal space. In some sense (perhaps only theoretically) I think this means the table at its current width is roughly twice as long as it could be. I don't think we're going to shrink the US map to reduce the width of the table to less than 300px, so I'd prefer we reformatted some things to use more of the available width. We should at least redistribute the white space so everything isn't piled up in the left half of the table. `

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` ==Red Ensign== Hello Bellman, I really like the Australian and New Zealand Flags alot. Their respectively National Flags (Blue Ensigns) are both elagant and beautiful designs (in my POV). I also love their Red Ensign counterparts, Australia Red Ensign(Merchant Ensign of the Navy) http://flagspot.net/images/a/au-red.gif New Zealand Red Ensign (Merchant Ensign of the Navy) http://flagspot.net/images/n/nz_civil.gif Proposed 1964 Canadian Red Ensign (Possible new National Flag) http://scaa.usask.ca/gallery/flagdisplay/images/web/panel13-3.jpg I really love this ``Star Constillation`` theme. The Australia and New Zealand Red Ensigns have the Southern Cross, and in kinship the (proposed) Canadian Red Ensign has Big Dipper. I sincerely hope that the Red Ensign page will become unlocked someday, and your contributions Bellman, would be a true pleasure to read. Sincerely, ArmChairVexillologistDon`

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` == Facts and editorials == Although this article has been improved, there are still some ``editorials`` (ie. unsubstantiated opinions) under: * Aftermath, and * Impact on the games. I'll be replacing these (obviously biased) editorials with facts and more info, the readers should draw their own conclusions. Post any objections to my edits here. Thanks. 20:45, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)`

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` == Additional copyright-tag required for == Hi nixie, You asked me to provide the appropriate copyright-tag for . I'd be happy to oblige. Note however: * You asked it twice, I think as a result of the old version of this file still lingering about (I uploaded it twice, the first version being deprecated)? * It's a zipped music file (in fact the zip file contains two MIDI-versions of the music, plus a text file that contains some explanation and a copyright notice) - not an image. * Now the difficult part: the music by Erik Satie contained in the ZIP-file is public domain in the USA. It is not in the public domain in France. This was confirmed to me by the archives Erik Satie from Paris. So I'd need a tag like - could that be provided, and added to Wikipedia:Image copyright tags? * Note that apart from Erik Satie's music itself, the MIDI-files also contain my work to digitise that music. I'm clear about wanting that work to be copylefted. In fact I proposed GPL (as MIDI is some sort of binary code that can be turned into human-readable source code by the editor I indicated in the copyright notice). Is there a ``GPL`` tag somewhere? Or is it discouraged to publish GPL-ed works in Wikipedia? Thanks for your effort! `

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You what? I can't build a consensus by chiding people who have different views from my own that they ought to show respect for others' views? I should build it by entirely disregarding their views? Jeez, man, I thought I was working on a wiki. Looks like I wandered into something completely different from that. : You feel that others are disregarding minority views. I'm sorry that you feel that way. Look at the comment I wrote when I reverted Anthony Dipietro's deletion of the picture. Does it look like I'm disregarding the views of others? Here is what I wrote. Anthony, I think it looks as if you may be attempting to revive the reversion war over the picture. Nevertheless I'm open to persuasion if you can justify the removal of the picture. I've reverted your edit for now because of an inadequate explanation, but would not revert a second time on this occasion. |]] ::A lot of others are disregarding minority views. Just look at the poll.

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== Parentage and children == I see this was discussed above, but I wanted to try to get rid of that green, yellow and purple table. It could at least use some nicer colours ) I made a much simpler list, if that's acceptable...the previous table is still there, stuck into an HTML comment, so it can be easily reverted.

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Hmmm... I see your point about relevance. Not sure if the data your showing here can be usefully integrated in to this article though... the 17.7 score was per a-level candidate, not University applicant, and useing the Oxford figures might sugest that Oxford is considered somesort of benchmark to aspire to (a sugestion that I, as a Bristol graduate, would disagree with!)

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Is it indeed similar to the Nolan Chart? The only similarity I see is that they are both two dimensional.

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I hear that eventually they'll be available again? In that case, I'll comment it back in—when they become available again, it'll appear. —

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==Emilia== Do you find more information about this Swedish diva? If you do so, help complete this article!

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` ==Date format== :I don't know who told you that day/month/year is new to the British. Your source must have confused it with somewhere else. The British have used day/month/year for centuries. For example, here is an old document from England: 1707 and you can read for yourself the style of dating within it. No ... ``the 22nd of July 1707`` is not an example of the sort of day/month/year form I was writing about (i.e., as you know, the one that someone added to the article about Queen Victoria. :There is a date in the last paragraph of this item signed by William Shakespeare in 1616. No, those dates are in Latin, not English. :Another document from even earlier has its date in its section 63: 1215. No again. ``fifteenth day of June`` is not an example of the sort of day/month/year format in the Queen Victoria article that is what this discussion is about. :You get the idea, The idea I get is that none of the examples you've cited are valid! :and can easily find more if you are interested, on the web or in your university library. :One can find an occasional example in England of month/day/year, Not just ``occasional``!! It was the prevailing system in England until recently, as you can see by looking at old books. `

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` Odd indeed - Google throws up several hundred thousand pages bothe for ``Arabic Gulf`` and ``Arabian Gulf``, but only the latter appears to attract much anger. How odd! `

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== Add Ma On Shan (KCRC) as the featured article == I want to add Ma On Shan (KCRC) as the featured article on December 21, 2004. Would you accept my request?

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`==POV?== Some of this seems a bit POV, especially the paragraph that begins, ``In March 1990...`` The person who wrote this is obviously trying to be even-handed, but on delicate matters like this, it would probably be better to cite conflicting view from responsible sources. | `

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== Gold mining == Excellent article on Gold mining... technical and concise but still accessible.

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` ==death to critics== So instead of 'every' earlier, now you are giving isolated cases, such as Theo van Gogh, Vincent van Gogh, Rashad Khalifa, and Irshad Manji who received death threats or were killed by anonymous unknown radicals. What happened to every claim? Anyway, to prove your case that Islam sanctions death sentence to its critics, you can't just post the names of isolated cases where people received death threats from anonymous radicals! You need to post the names of prominent Islamic scholars and universities such as Al Azhar (not isolated radicals) who issued the death sentence against these people. The fatwa against Rushdie was rejected by Al Azhar and all countries except Iran. So all you need to do is post Islamic sites (not anti-Islamic sites and isolated radical sites) who issued the death sentence against Menji, Rashad Khalifa, Theo van Gogh, etc. Bring your proof. Just throwing the names of isolated cases where someone received death threats from isolated anonymous radical doesn't prove Islam sanctions death sentence to it's critics! After 9/11, many Muslims and mosques received threats and some Muslims/Sikhs were even killed. That doesn't mean the US sanctions death to all American Muslims. You are such a pathetic joke, dude! Posting isolated cases where people received death threats from anonymous radicals doesn't prove a thing. We don't even know for sure who killed Rashad. You added even his name. You need to post the names of Muslim scholars who issues death sentence against, say, Rashad, Vincent van Gogg, and Menji. Then you need to post evidence that this was consensus among Muslim scholars on each of these cases. Without that, you don't have any case, and you are refuted once again : ``Anyway, to prove your case that Islam sanctions death sentence to its critics, you can't just post the names of isolated cases where people received death threats from anonymous radicals! You need to post the names of prominent Islamic scholars and universities such as Al Azhar (not isolated radicals) who issued the death sentence against these people. The fatwa against Rushdie was rejected by Al Azhar and all countries`` <- these anonymous radicals represent the sentiments felt by their factions in ISlam -they represent their interpretation of Islam. I also provided examples of critics who were murdered by MUHAMMAD himself. Al-Azhar is not a higher authority than Muhammad. ::No, you have only provided two stories in Ibn Ishaq about Muhammad that are rejected by Muslims, such as rejected here. Al Azhar and Muslim scholars will interpret what Muhammad did and what Islamic law says, not an anti-Islamic bigot like you. You made a bold claim that in Islam critics are to be to be killed. I refuted that by giving examples that contradict that. You then claimed that every critic received a death sentence. You were refuted again. You then posted a list of isolated critics such as Rushdie, Menji, Rashad Khalifa, Theo van Gogh, etc, who received death threats from anonymous radicals. That's like posting (a much longer list) of Muslims/Sikhs who received death threats or were killed after 9/11, and claiming that American law allows Muslims to be killed. You were refuted again. You need to provide names of prominent well known Muslim scholars (not anti-Islam sites or isolated radicals) for each of these cases and prove that they issued the death sentence. After that, you need to provide proof that that judgement was a consensus among Muslims scholars. You didn't do that. You were refuted once again. Since you are an anti-Islamic bigot, you can't just claim that Muhammad did this or that or Islamic law says this or that and expect that claim to be inserted in Encyclopedia. You need to provide proof. You couldn't because you were wrong. Try again, dude. You have failed quite miserably here :Furthermore, whe opinons of secular governments are irrelevant - of course Musilm countries rejected the death fatwa against Rushdie, but this was due to international politics, not due to religion. Also, as stated before, Ayatollah Khomenie was a Shiah CLERIC. The only way to be an Ayatollah is to be born as one. Aside from being the dictator or IRan, Khomenie was also the spiritial and religious leader of huge numbers of Sha'ias around the world. Khomenie wrote many fatwas and books about Islam. His most famous fatwa, of course, calls for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Now Al-Azhar - a SUNNI university SUPPOSEDLY rejected KHomenei's teachings. This does not mean by any means prove that Al-Azhar was right, and Khomenie was wrong. The fact that KHomenie was a shiah cleric, while Al-Azhar is a sunni university is also a gaping hole in this argument. You have no ev

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` == OneGuy's vanadalism of the discussion page == Aside from OneGuy deleting other user's comments, he has now begun to blatently disorganize and effectively vanadalize people's comments: he distrupting the flow of users' comments by arbitrarily cutting off paragraphs and inserting his comments in between, instead of being civil and adding his reply to the end of a given post. Combined with his ceasless personal attacks, false accusations, and insistance on making wikipedia a propoganda machine for Islamist apologetics of the blackest kind, his behaviour has become completely intolerable, and I do not see any point in constantly refuting the same false accusations and false assertions over and over again. OneGuy must be ejected from this discussion before it can have any hope of being a civiled and productive debate. I am left with no choice but to completely resign from this discussion, since it seems that no one is going to be moderating OneGuy's behaviour anytime soon. Pename ::What's ironic is that OneGuy claims he is not a muslim and therefore can not be considered an Islamic apologist! In fact, most of the Muhammad/Islam apologists here claim to not be Muslim! Looks like Muhammad's best friends are the infidels. ::As of moderating OneGuy's behavior, the Arbitrators are looking into him and myself after he filed a hypocritical arbitration request against me and I thus filed a countercomplaint against OneGuy. Whenever OneGuy spots someone who doesn't agree with his radical apologistic viewpoint he tries to silence them by any means at his disposal. OneGuy, in his complaint in arbitration, accused me of rivert(sic) wars and having POV in my contributions yet he does the exact same thing, only more so. In the arbitration complaint, the arbitrators don't seem as concerned about the POV contributions as they do about personal attacks, revert wars and my vandalism of his user page. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/168.209.97.34. When OneGuy was giving evidence against me he incorrectly called a few minor word changes as a revert war (even though the change were only made once or twice) and he clearly left out the revert wars in which he was involved (but the arbitrators were not fooled - they found him out). ::Since the arbitrators will probably not do anything about his radical apologistic contributions, they will most likely respond to his vandalism of the talk pages. Feel free to post your complaints regarding OneGuy on Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/168.209.97.34/Evidence. : Since when replying on talk page has become vandalism? Only one time I deleted Pename comments when he cut and pasted his comments that were already on the page on top of my response in a new section that I created (``death to critics``). Pename has ignored what we are discussing and is resorting to personal insults and false accusations (in violation of wiki policy) that I vandalized the talk page. He now claims that he did not copy the verse from anti-Islamic site. If true, where did he find the interpretation that 8:67 means kill prisoners of war? He implied that interpretation in the article. At worst, the verse condemns the behavior of taking prisoners in order to make money, but he has not given his source that says 8:67 means kill prisoners. Instead of answering where he found that interpretation (if not anti-Islamic site), Pename is resorting to personal insults and outright lies that I vandalized the talk page == Abuse == Due warning: every time our anonymous friend makes a personal attack, I'm removing it. See Wikipedia:no personal attacks, also see Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks. I've had quite enough of their abuse. To the anonymous user, please start showing a more mature response when replying to comments or arguing your case. - (modified ) :Huh? What'd I do? anon ::Nothing. I was talking about another anon. - Oh, incidently, if the anon removes this comment again they get blocked. - : Apparently ``Ta bu shi da yu`` believes that if he refers to people as ``immature`` he is not engaging in personal attacks. But if someone calls him a religious appologist, he believes that he can use this as an excuse to delete a page worth of content. This is a clear double standard. Since he has decided to start deleting user comments from the discussion page on such basis, I am deleting ``Ta bu shi da yu``'s comment on the basis of personal attacks. He will not be able to ke

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== Example Language? == Could someone please clarify which of the celtic languages is used for the examples?

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` == Article Licensing == Hi, I've to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information: * - Lots of questions answered *Multi-Licensing Guide * To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the ``{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}`` template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page: :Option 1 :I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below: :{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} OR :Option 2 :I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below: :{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace ``{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}`` with ``{{MultiLicensePD}}``. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my ''''''. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – (comment) [[]] `

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:Facts matter a great deal to encyclopedias and scholars meticulous about dates, quotes and other minor historical details. There are even ways to check facts, unlike opinions, assumptions and interpretations.

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` :I oppose this proposal. It is convention here that we use the most common name of a person or thing. Someone looking up ``bikini`` is almost certainly looking for the swimming suit, and to receive an article designed ``out of respect for the Bikini people to [ensure they are] represented fairly on Wikipedia`` would be annoying. In common usage, the word ``bikini`` with no modifiers refers to the swimming suit. The (former) island has its article at Bikini Atoll. Consider the lone word ``Washington.`` The only thing called simply ``Washington`` is the state, so its article goes there. Everything else has a natural disambiguator attached (not a parenthetical phrase no one ever uses outside Wikipedia). The city is Washington, DC, the person is George Washington, the obelisk is the Washington Monument, and so on. And by the bye, why the ``half-naked`` and ``developed nations`` pejoritives? Is there an agenda here we should be unaware of? ]] `

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` :: First victim of what? Biri's death is not part of the al-Aqsa Intifada because the intifada started after his death - after Ariel Sharon's visit to the al-Aqsa site. You see, that's how it got the name ``al-Aqsa``. The Israeli government propaganda repeated at the websites you list claims that the Palestinians started the al-Aqsa intifada before Sharon even visited the al-Aqsa site. Even the ``Palestine Facts`` source you cite and the objective Mitchell report point to Sharon's visit as the trigger for the al-Aqsa intifada. Of course there is constant violence in the area so anyone can name his own start date. We can go back to 1948 or 1917 if you want. It does no service to Wikipedia to throw Israeli government propaganda into the article. ( I am sure that won't stop you though). ::*``Also on September 28, 2000, Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This visit became the pretext for instigating large scale demonstrations, the start of the al-Aqsa infifada.`` ::*``On September 28, 2000, Ariel Sharon marched defiantly and provocatively through the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, touching off the current round of violence. `` ::The Mitchell Report: ::*``Mr. Sharon made the visit on September 28 accompanied by over 1,000 Israeli police officers. Although Israelis viewed the visit in an internal political context, Palestinians saw it as highly provocative to them. On the following day, in the same place, a large number of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators and a large Israeli police contingent confronted each other. According to the U.S. Department of State, ``Palestinians held large demonstrations and threw stones at police in the vicinity of the Western Wall. Police used rubber-coated metal bullets and live ammunition to disperse the demonstrators, killing 4 persons and injuring about 200.``[4] According to the GOI, 14 Israeli policemen were injured.[5] Similar demonstrations took place over the following several days.[6] Thus began what has become known as the ``Al-Aqsa Intifada`` (Al-Aqsa being a mosque at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount). `` ::Furthermore, in the article Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2000#August, it says Biri died in August after being attacked by ``terrorists``. (If Biri was an Israeli soldier in occupied Gaza, why are his attackers called ``terrorists`` in Wikipedia?). You need to sort out your Israeli propaganda to at least get the dates and descriptors right. ::``* August 27: Terrorists attack a group of vehicles traveling to Netzarim with two roadside bombs and automatic gunfire. David Biri, age 19, is wounded. ::* August 28: David Biri dies of wounds suffered in a Palestinian terrorist attack the previous day. ::* September 29: Border policeman Chief Inspector Yossi Tabaji, 27, of Ramle, killed and a second Israeli border policeman wounded by a Palestinian Authority policeman on a joint patrol near Kalkiliya District Coordinating Office. `` ::Yossi Tabaji and several unnamed Palestinian youth were also killed in the days before the ``official start`` of the al-Aqsa intifada because there are constant killings almost every day in the conflict. The al-Aqsa intifada is an upsurge in the violence that started after Sharon's visit to the al-Aqsa site. That is the commonly understood definition of al-Aqsa intifada. Adding stories about Israeli deaths that happened the day before is just Israeli government propaganda to deflect blame away from Ariel Sharon. `

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` ::::You are copying one-sided (Israeli) material from Palestine Facts and Jewish Virtual Library ``Soon after he left, outbreaks of stone throwing occured on the Temple Mount and in the vicinity, leaving 28 Israeli policemen injured, three of whom were hospitalized; no Palestinians were injured in these incidents.`` Other sources paint a completely different picture: ``On September 29, the Israeli army increased its presence in Jerusalem and began intimidating the Palestinians. When the Muslims attempt to enter al-Aqsa for prayers they were barred and later Israeli forces opened fire at the civilian demonstrators, including children, killing 6 and wounding 220. In the first few days of the Intifada, the IDF fired about 700,000 bullets in the West Bank, and 300,000 in Gaza. In the first six days of the Intifada, 61 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces and 2,657 were injured, many of them children. At the same time four Israelis were killed, with 35 wounded.`` . Why are the names of Israeli soldiers like David Biri and Yossi Tabaji more important than the names of the numerous Arab civilian victims? This is a subtle form of racism where one side is humanized with names and the other is dehumanized as a faceless number of casualties. `

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` :::::::It's just presenting a one-sided Israeli perspective to write, ``outbreaks of stone throwing occured on the Temple Mount and in the vicinity, leaving 28 Israeli policemen injured, three of whom were hospitalized; no Palestinians were injured in these incidents`` while ignoring ``Israeli forces opened fire at the civilian demonstrators, including children, killing 6 and wounding 220. In the first few days of the Intifada, the IDF fired about 700,000 bullets in the West Bank, and 300,000 in Gaza. In the first six days of the Intifada, 61 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces and 2,657 were injured, many of them children. At the same time four Israelis were killed, with 35 wounded.`` `

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Ok, it's now pretty clear most of this should go in laser science. I'll do so after clarifiying a few more points.

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` == More Lies == ``though proponents do point to the rapid decrease of the Christian Palestinian population (along with those of most Christian Arabs) as, at least in part, outcomes of Muslim hostility to non-Muslims.`` This is because of Muslim hostility to Christians? Or is it due to jews hostility to Palestinians? Christians can move to America or Europe but Muslims must stay and fight for justice against the Jew. `

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` ::Of course, apologies. *Eclipse-class_Star_Destroyer *Eclipse_Star_Destroyer I would say let's clean up the one, since only two existed there's really no need in having a page for the ``class`` and a page for the ``ship``. Clutter, IMO.`

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:Noticing that the page is still listed at VfD, I've contacted an administrator, suggesting that he should tot up the votes as soon as possible, declare the page saved, and move on. (Of course I know how to remove this material myself, but guess that I shouldn't do so. 04:42, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

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` :I tried to give a better description of the ``soma``. I'd rather say ``neuronal cell body``. It is rather disorienting when you follow the link for soma from the neuron page. `

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== Pictured Needed == What do these people look like? There should be a picture.

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== You have never met or been photographed with Keith Wigdor. == Whoever you are, I am asking you to not interfere with the article about Keith Wigdor. You have no resources or connections to him (unless you are somehow being deceptive), so really you are not any sort of expert on this artist.

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` :Look at the way they hog these articles as if they own them! They delete everything that comes from editors not in their ``in-group`` on sight then demand that ``outsiders`` meet their terms before they will agree to edit it back in for us. Jimbo would be rolling over in his grave - if he was dead yet. `

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` [``Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Nobody likes abuse. Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on sight. Users have been blocked or banned for repeatedly engaging in them. Abusive edit summaries are particularly ill-regarded.`` (Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks) ``Avoid profanity (words or images that could be considered offensive by typical Wikipedia readers)`` (Wikipedia:Profanity)]`

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*Keep. All car models are notable in their own way. Well done norm.

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:::Do you miss Viriditas/Nasrallah that much already?

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Some of your sanitizing edits deleted important information about the etymological roots of these slurs, such as shyster's origin in Shakespeare's Shylock in Merchant of Venice, so I returned some of the edits to their original state.

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::Which ones? Most are here , many, like shyster, are also well documented elsewhere.

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Yes, complain to your rabbi and then go shoot some more defenseless Arabs to take out your frustration.

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` :It's so easy you could do it yourself if you weren't just interested in harassment.: ``Some etymologists believe ``shyster`` is a derivative of Shakespeare’s character Shylock in The Merchant of Venice, used to describe a devious, scheming person of Jewish background who will try any scam in the book to make a buck. In 1895, Funk’s Standard Dictionary defined a shyster as ``a lawyer who practices in an unprofessional or tricky manner; especially one who haunts the prisons and lower courts to prey on petty criminals.`` In Shakespeare’s play, other characters call Shylock a ``currish Jew`` whose ``desires are wolvish, bloody, starved, and ravenous``; he is accused of being ``the devil … in the likeness of a Jew.`` `` `

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:::How long have editors been putting up with the abuse and racist Zionist POV biases of you, Viriditas, Jayjg, Jewbacca, Humus sapiens, IZAK, Lance6Wins, Yoshiah, MathKnight, Gamaliel, Evolver of Borg, Jfdwolff, etc etc etc?

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` (UTC) ****Would you mind showing what ``reason`` was involved in your pronouncement? Are you in fact suggesting that this encyclopaedia should contain any and all photos or are you not? If I place the goatse photo in its article, will you support me in that? If not, why not? 22:21, 22 Dec 2004`

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` :I already gave you the source for all my edits The Slur database, so I will not continue to play your little game. If you weren't so lazy and intent on harassment, you could use Google to search for ``Gargamel`` and ``Jew``. You get more than 400 hits including white supremacist sites and an academic paper dating to 1996. It's obviously a real slur with some usage. Nice try at being obdurate though. I'm sure there's a slur that describes that characteristic. Shyster doesn't quite cover it. `

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`::I am not Goldberg and you can't prove otherwise because it is not true. I was blocked because MathKnight went whining about ``anti-semitism incitement`` based on my User page and some admin apparently believed him. Now the not rake blames me for personal attacks. Prove it. Where? This is just typical of those who gang up on their enemies without justification or evidence. Thankfully TBSDY is on the ball and not so easily fooled. I have violated no policy and I should receive some warning and description of the policy if I am. Just having some whiney Israeli complaining about anti-semitism shouldn't suffice to block users. Selective enforcement of etiquette to silence editors is bias and censorship. Where is the policy, where is the evidence of violation? Where is the accountability? `

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` : 1. ``Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Nobody likes abuse. Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on sight. Users have been blocked or banned for repeatedly engaging in them. Abusive edit summaries are particularly ill-regarded.`` (Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks). Edit your post or it will be deleted. : 2. The Encarta Encylopedia article is short because you are using the Online FREE version of it. : 3. There are many different Islamic websites with different points of view about Jihad. You have put 4 ``Islamic website`` links and all of them are from one POV, namely IslamOnline. Pename`

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.com All parts of the article are supposed to be NPOV

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, yet you are unable to even make an NPOV list of external links

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== block? == Probable sockpuppet has violated the three revert rule while vandalizing my User page (). Am I allowed to revert my own User page more than three times?

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They are often described as Socialist, which was my point. There is no point in having an encyclopedia entry that would only make sense to a political scientist and, given the more common usages of the terms, be positively misleading to anyone else.

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In accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject_Drugs naming policy, I propose we move this page to the INN clobetasol. If you have any concern with this proposal, please discuss it on this page.

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The article is true, the Israeli policies are killing Arab children.

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` Wikipedia:Talk_page “On Wikipedia, ‘’’the purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the main page’’’, from an encyclopedic point of view. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), ‘’’arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play.’’’ ” “Wikipedia is not a soapbox, it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject.” • “Archive rather than delete: When a talk page's content has become extremely large or the discussion of the issue in hand has simply died down and no one has a reasonable chance of adding to it. Then create a new page. “ Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not “Wikipedia is not a theater of war. Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. Do not insult, harass or intimidate those with whom you have a disagreement. Rather, approach the matter in an intelligent manner, and engage in polite discussion.`` (Wikipedia is not) Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. But of course an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view.” “UNICEF said today it is deeply concerned about the impact on children of the ongoing military operation in the Gaza Strip, particularly a missile strike Wednesday that claimed the lives of at least 10 Palestinians, many of them children. …UNICEF calls on the State of Israel to abide by its obligations to the Convention on the Rights of the Child by protecting children from direct exposure to violence, and providing those who have lost their homes with alternative housing,” Bassiouni said. ``The injudicious use of force where children are present can only bring about the deaths of innocent youngsters. We urge the Israeli authorities to reconsider the impact these incursions are having on Palestinian children.`` `

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:I added picture of 1 Israelis killed baby to article from.

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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Hope you like it here, and stick around. Here are some tips to help you get started: *To sign your posts (on talk pages, for example) use the '~' symbol. To insert just your name, type ~~~ (3 tildes), or, to insert your name and timestamp, use ~~~~ (4 tildes). * Try the Tutorial, and feel free to experiment in the test area. * If you need help, post a question at the Help Desk * Eventually, you might want to read the Manual of Style and Policies and Guidelines. *Remember Wikipedia:Neutral point of view * Explore, be bold in editing pages, and, most importantly, have fun! Good luck! ]]

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alone, though - thanks - JL

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::Some people do not like pictures of Palestinian children killed by Jews but they do not say why? They want to hide the pictures from Wikipedia readers. Is there a good reason?

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== NLP == Thanks for asking me. I have replied at Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming (and at Wikipedia talk:External_links/temp#Against). 14:32, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

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I added a Difficult Labels section to start us off. It is really quick and dirty but I think it provides a good start for us to work off of.

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` I don't believe that ``The Family International`` formerly known as ``The Family``, ``Family of Love``, Children of God and many front names internationally, should be called a ``cult`` and here is why. I love ``cult`` classic movies and sometimes when one refers to a ``cult`` following it is nothing more than a fan club. Now if it were called a ``Highly Destructive Cult`` or something more specific I could heartily agree having been exploited in the group in my youth and seen it leading towards gross abuse and negligence of second generation children. I don't think movie stars or famous people would throw their support behind a group that clearly has advocated pedophilia right from the top (David Brandt Berg) or things like the ``LJR`` instituted under Zerby and co. Neither do I put any stock in hired guns or ``experts`` that defend ``The Family`` or whatever they may be calling themselves at any given time because in any profession there are people that would defend Jeffrey Dahmer or NAMBLA followers if paid enough or given enough favors or noteriety. So I would call it an ``HDC`` and that is MILD.`

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