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Farrera, Oscar Arias
VNClagoon is an integrated business software framework consisting of highly flexible components and open interfaces that can be operated in any environment. VNClagoon covers all aspects of a modern, powerful private Cloud application environment – from back end and server infrastructure, to customizable applications, middleware components and a beautiful user interface running on any device. Featured components - OwnCloud - Zimbra - Collabor
 Hello, thank you. As mentioned, my name is Oscar Farrera. I'm here with VNC. So we are, as you see here, the VNC Lagoon is what I will show you today. I'll give you an introduction of our company, I guess, to start out. We've been working with OnCloud and firm believers for several years now. And OnCloud has become really a key component of what we call the VNC Lagoon. The VNC Lagoon is our brand. Basically, what we're doing is we're focused on open source technology. Let's say this is the first step. What we do is basically we search for the best of breed, best available applications out there in the market. We are taking the approach of providing these applications to our customers in an integrated package. I'm sure that you've already had a little bit of an opportunity to visit with Colabora, I believe upstairs there. Hello. They're also one of our, you know, we're working very closely together with them as well as with OnCloud, other technologies like Simbra, RedMine, Plone, et cetera. So I'll give you an introduction of how all of these things come together. Our, let's say our approach is to cover all of the business needs from our customers, our partners, and also enable other partners and communities to really, really be able to compete out there with the likes of Microsoft, with the likes of Google, OpenExchange, et cetera. So that's what we're doing. To begin, I'll show you here just the overview of the products that we offer. As I mentioned, Sync and Share, of course, is OnCloud. It's one of the key products. Another one is email collaboration based on Simbra. And I'll show you the integration between the two today. This is something that we've been working on for the past, I want to say, about three years. It's an app or a module that goes, one part is in the OnCloud and one part is in Simbra as a simlet, it's called. So basically, it's just an extension. But it's quite nice. So I'll show you that today. Continuing with that, of course, is there's a unified communications solution, which we call the VNC Talk, also known as Simbra Talk. What we've done is we've partnered up with Simbra and offer our product as an OEM agreement, basically rebranded and offer it to their customers through their partner network. And the partner network right now is around 2,000 partners around the world. So it gives us a very good positioning to also, let's say, position other products, such as OnCloud and Collaborate and all of these applications into our app suite. And then we have used document collaboration, content management internally right now with some of our customers based on Plone, which is the VNC portal. We've added some social media components to that as well, internal social media components. And we do a lot of like SCARAM, ERP and infrastructure services. So we offer managed services for our customers. So we have guys in our data center in Switzerland, customers, or we also have lots of on-site deployments. So we're pretty flexible when it comes to that. Let me switch over to the layers to give you like a strategic overview of what we are doing and how we, let's say we present it to our customers, to our partners. The VNC stack, it's the bottom layer here that you see there basically. This is the data center, the data center services. So we have a data center in Switzerland. Everything that has to do with virtualization, hosting and all of those things, it's just basically the VNC stack. The next component here is the VNC-AXF. So we call it the application exchange framework. We've developed a middleware component, for example, we've developed several integrations. I want to say about 20 to 30 different integrations with different products in the form of simlets or apps. And of course, the application layer, which these two are connected here. So the applications can be the VNC stacks, so on cloud, Simra, Plone, et cetera. But it can also be existing services from our customers or partners. So if you're a partner offering some sort of let's say voice over IP services or you're offering additional services that bring value to your offering, we allow you to integrate those with the help of the middleware components and basically our development know-how. We've been focusing a lot more on development and enabling partners, ISPs, for example, Simra or T systems or Swisscom, Vodafone, et cetera, and enabling these kinds of service providers to really give it an opportunity to compete and not only compete, really allow them to bring forth their own brand. And with that is the VNC UXF, which is the user experience framework. The UXF, we've taken several of the latest technologies. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with Angular, also material design, responsive design, and this sort of user experience, user interfaces. And what we are doing now basically is we're unifying these user interfaces. So as you all know, a lot of open source projects have very, very distinct ideas of how things should look and how things should feel when the end user is there. And what we're doing basically is we are unifying the whole thing and we're putting it together with some of the latest technologies. For us, it's super important that our customers are able to access their data or their applications from any device at any time, as long as they have, let's say, a modern browser and an internet connection. So it doesn't matter if you're on a mobile or a tablet or so on. You don't need to install apps. You don't need to worry about, oh, am I on the right machine? Basically, you can be flexible. And that's important across the board from everyone we speak with. So this is the strategic overview of how we are presenting and what we are offering. Down here, just a summary of those technologies which we are working with. So we're also Redhead partners, onCloud, Simbra, Odu, a RedMind, Plone, et cetera. So we are pretty active in the open source world in general. So we've contributed quite a lot to, let's say, many of these communities. And we always try to search basically for the latest and the best. And we feel that, of course, onCloud fits right there. So I don't want to bore you with too many slides and things like that, because I actually have the applications here live. So you can also feel free to ask questions. And I'll also give you a pretty straightforward user case, what many of our customers are asking for. Our partners are wondering if there is such a thing. And so I'll begin here. What you see here basically is my production VNC mail. So Cloud Mail. This is what I use every day. You can see there is it's literally the working version. So it's not a demo server. What we have here is just onCloud, Simbra, the VNC talk, and all of these components communicating with each other. So in the first case, I mean, we are familiar with receiving, let's say, attachments, receiving documents, whatever it might be. And how do we manage this from the inbox? Once you receive a document, what we've done is we've developed this integration, which we call the VNC safe simulant. This basically is giving you access to onCloud from within the email collaboration user interface. Pretty straightforward. So when you receive an email with an attachment, you can go ahead and choose what to do with this attachment. If I right click here, you can see I have some options. So I can either store this email as a PDF file within onCloud, or I can just push it as a.eml file. And then all of the information that came with this email, so whether it's attachments, whatever you want to call it, it all gets stored within onCloud. So basically, it's just the one click. And I can do that right now. So here we have the save mail to VNC save. So let's pick one. And what we're going to do is just select the first folder here, not to make it too complicated, and easy for me to delete it later. So you can see the title is automatically what's the title of the email. So just to make it really super easy, and we click. And now the email is being pushed as a PDF file to onCloud. And I can access that email really quickly here. Let's just see. There we go. So it's been successful. And let's go over to the VNC save. And let's refresh really quick and click on this folder. And then here we have the VNC community PDF. So the date right there, the time, the size, and it's as easy as that. So we can do this with any email that came in. So the next thing is, suppose we have a file that we need to send out. Of course, we have the sharing capabilities here, as you already know them. So share with the link, password protected, there's the synchronization happening with the client. You can go ahead and set the expiration date. You know, if I do a blank search here really quickly just to show some names, you can give some rights to those users, so internal users. Another example of what you can do with this is basically just click compose. And any file that's within onCloud, you can just quickly attach it to an outgoing email. You know, just a click. So you just click OK. And the attachment is there. So now you can just go ahead and finalize your email, send it out, take care of that. We continue here. I mean, you see a pretty straightforward toolbar. You know, I mean, we all know what moving things around looks like or in the leading, copying and things like this. So just a pretty straightforward, simple to use toolbar. And this has been quite a popular, let's say, integration with onCloud. There's even customers like the Vatican are using it. So it's pretty interesting. So let's see. So that's one case there. Another example here, also what I wanted to do is I have another server here, but it's the chat integration here. This is the VNC talk as we know it. So Simbratoch as well. What happens here basically is the same idea. Our goal is to provide these sort of integrations across the board. So to give you a little bit of a future outlook, we would love to have this, let's say, chat video conferencing functionality directly integrated with onCloud. So at any time when you're in your onCloud web interface, you know, I need to have a quick video call with somebody. We're collaborating on a document or maybe just start a quick chat. You know, this is something that maybe don't need to send emails back and forth for a couple of questions. Make things a lot simpler. So what we have here is just an XMPP server in the background as well as several components of WebRTC. So it's a relatively complex, let's say, project for us. It's been going on for about two and a half years. And right now it's getting to the point where it's quite stable. It's really, really out there. And we use it on the daily basis. So a really quick example here. I think I will call in Andrea here. So Andrea is one of our founders and CEO of VNC Germany here. And as you can see here, we have just chat history. So everything, depending on, you know, how long you want to keep the history, this is depending on your administration and how you want to handle that. But I can see the chat history and I'll just say hi to Andrea. And ask her to join me for a quick example of how we can begin quickly a video call. So just simply click here. And start. So you see we're still within the same user interface. The idea basically is to give you those unified place where you can work with. Okay. So here's Andrea. Let me turn around. What I would like to show you also is just some of the features here, what we have here, which I think is very interesting. We have a collaboration document right here. And we would love to see further integration with onCloud when it comes to this because this is a Wiki page right here. And during meetings, of course, we all have the situation. Somebody must take notes or at least minutes and be able to summarize that meeting. You know, the video conference. This makes it very, quite easy. How about an integration where you can quickly push it to onCloud instead of having to, let's say, ship it around in emails and then receive it and download it, upload it, et cetera. Just a simple click and send. You know, it makes it quite easy. Other features, for example, like let me see here. Just takes a second. There it is. Screen sharing. So I can select, oh, I don't have my desktop. Sharing extension. Must need to update it. We're doing a lot of work on it right now. I don't want to stop the whole thing right now, but I need to install it just a quick app or extension to my Google Chrome. And that basically enables the sharing, the screen sharing functionality. But it makes it pretty simple. For now, I think, Andrea, I will take you off the video call. Just wanted to show the guys how we have it. And I'll continue with the rest of the... Bye. Bye. All right. So we'll finish that right here. And end it. All right. So there we go. So that's another thing there. You know, so it's... Here is just another example of the, let's say, the possibilities. I think the video conferencing, maybe to a lot of you, I haven't had an opportunity to really meet or talk to many of you. But maybe something interesting or something that may be required in your network, in your network of customers, partners, or how you're doing. The next thing I want to show you is a really, really quick example of our UXF technology. And this is the response of a material design technology that we're building right now for the email client. And in the end, of course, our plan is to integrate on cloud further into this technology as well. And have a unified user interface across the board. So here's the example. So what you see here is basically the same production server in the back. So we use the production server in the back. And then the front end, you see, it's just a little bit more of the things that you're familiar with with your Android or your mobile devices right now. The responsive and the material design. To show you the responsive design, I'll go into the developer tools really quickly. There we are. Switch back. Here we have the inbox. Let me click over here. Maybe a lot of you guys probably have iPhones. More familiar there. So there you go. It's really quite simple. So we went from the desktop view to the mobile view. We can switch it over to your tablet view. Let's go ahead and rotate it. There you go. So this is what we would like to do across the board. So we firmly believe that our clients, our partners, need that flexibility, make things a lot easier. And also, I think in the long term, easier to maintain without having to worry about so many applications and plugins and things like this. Yes. So for the moment, I think that's the overview that I wanted to show you. Just some of these things that we are working on, how we have collaborated with on cloud as far as the integration. And I'm available, of course, to show you in more detail to have a closer look at anything that I've showed you here. And also, if you have any questions right now, we have a few minutes to answer any questions, comments, suggestions. I'm all ears. Yes. Right now, there's only one email right now. So we don't have like a multiple to push it at multiple emails at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all of that is just based on requirements. That's if a customer or partner tells us this is what we need, then we plain and simply add it. That's that's how it grew. In the beginning, it was basically like the one feature and attachment to own cloud. That was it, you know, and then from there started evolving. So it's, yeah, if you have some more suggestions or ideas, yeah, we're, we're open to that. So this is something that we can talk about maybe after more ideas. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Here, maybe I'll just walk over to him and make it easier. About the video conferencing, I was just asking how firewall issues are solved. If they're using a stun server for doing this. Yes, we are. To be honest, this, this, the background of the video conferencing tool, I'm not 100% familiar, but I know there is definitely a stun server in the back. It's quite complex. So I think maybe tomorrow, since I'll be here also tomorrow, I can have a short, I'll have another talk and what I will do maybe is invite one of our administrators to the talk since I see we have like an extra 10 minutes. And this would be a good time to ask any really specific questions when it comes to how the thing is built. So that would be, I think a good option there. Yeah. Hold on. Which version of on cloud are you currently using and how difficult is to do the integration with your own cloud versions and releases? We are on the latest release basically right now. It normally takes us about, let's say two days after the release has been done to update it. It's just simple changes most of the time. And then at least, you know, some testing. So, but it's really not challenging at all. We've been doing this similar development in the app development for several years now and we haven't really come across a situation where we're like, oh, you know, we're going to need two, three weeks or, you know, it's literally a matter of a couple of days. Yeah. Good. So, there we go. I think for now, if anything else. Excellent. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for your attention. Yeah. So.
 Hello, thank you. As mentioned, my name is Oscar Farrera. I'm here with VNC. So we are,  as you see here, the VNC Lagoon is what I will show you today. I'll give you an introduction  of our company, I guess, to start out. We've been working with OnCloud and firm believers  for several years now. And OnCloud has become really a key component of what we call the  VNC Lagoon. The VNC Lagoon is our brand. Basically, what we're doing is we're focused  on open source technology. Let's say this is the first step. What we do is basically  we search for the best of breed, best available applications out there in the market. We are  taking the approach of providing these applications to our customers in an integrated package.  I'm sure that you've already had a little bit of an opportunity to visit with Colabora,  I believe upstairs there. Hello. They're also one of our, you know, we're working very closely  together with them as well as with OnCloud, other technologies like Simbra, RedMine, Plone,  et cetera. So I'll give you an introduction of how all of these things come together.  Our, let's say our approach is to cover all of the business needs from our customers,  our partners, and also enable other partners and communities to really, really be able  to compete out there with the likes of Microsoft, with the likes of Google, OpenExchange, et  cetera. So that's what we're doing. To begin, I'll show you here just the overview of the  products that we offer. As I mentioned, Sync and Share, of course, is OnCloud. It's one  of the key products. Another one is email collaboration based on Simbra. And I'll show  you the integration between the two today. This is something that we've been working  on for the past, I want to say, about three years. It's an app or a module that goes,  one part is in the OnCloud and one part is in Simbra as a simlet, it's called. So basically,  it's just an extension. But it's quite nice. So I'll show you that today. Continuing with  that, of course, is there's a unified communications solution, which we call the VNC Talk, also  known as Simbra Talk. What we've done is we've partnered up with Simbra and offer our product  as an OEM agreement, basically rebranded and offer it to their customers through their  partner network. And the partner network right now is around 2,000 partners around the world.  So it gives us a very good positioning to also, let's say, position other products,  such as OnCloud and Collaborate and all of these applications into our app suite. And  then we have used document collaboration, content management internally right now with  some of our customers based on Plone, which is the VNC portal. We've added some social  media components to that as well, internal social media components. And we do a lot of  like SCARAM, ERP and infrastructure services. So we offer managed services for our customers.  So we have guys in our data center in Switzerland, customers, or we also have lots of on-site  deployments. So we're pretty flexible when it comes to that. Let me switch over to the  layers to give you like a strategic overview of what we are doing and how we, let's say  we present it to our customers, to our partners. The VNC stack, it's the bottom layer here  that you see there basically. This is the data center, the data center services. So  we have a data center in Switzerland. Everything that has to do with virtualization, hosting  and all of those things, it's just basically the VNC stack. The next component here is  the VNC-AXF. So we call it the application exchange framework. We've developed a middleware  component, for example, we've developed several integrations. I want to say about 20 to 30  different integrations with different products in the form of simlets or apps. And of course,  the application layer, which these two are connected here. So the applications can be  the VNC stacks, so on cloud, Simra, Plone, et cetera. But it can also be existing services  from our customers or partners. So if you're a partner offering some sort of let's say  voice over IP services or you're offering additional services that bring value to your  offering, we allow you to integrate those with the help of the middleware components  and basically our development know-how. We've been focusing a lot more on development and  enabling partners, ISPs, for example, Simra or T systems or Swisscom, Vodafone, et cetera,  and enabling these kinds of service providers to really give it an opportunity to compete  and not only compete, really allow them to bring forth their own brand. And with that  is the VNC UXF, which is the user experience framework. The UXF, we've taken several of  the latest technologies. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with Angular, also material  design, responsive design, and this sort of user experience, user interfaces. And what  we are doing now basically is we're unifying these user interfaces. So as you all know,  a lot of open source projects have very, very distinct ideas of how things should look and  how things should feel when the end user is there. And what we're doing basically is we  are unifying the whole thing and we're putting it together with some of the latest technologies.  For us, it's super important that our customers are able to access their data or their applications  from any device at any time, as long as they have, let's say, a modern browser and an internet  connection. So it doesn't matter if you're on a mobile or a tablet or so on. You don't  need to install apps. You don't need to worry about, oh, am I on the right machine? Basically,  you can be flexible. And that's important across the board from everyone we speak with.  So this is the strategic overview of how we are presenting and what we are offering. Down  here, just a summary of those technologies which we are working with. So we're also Redhead  partners, onCloud, Simbra, Odu, a RedMind, Plone, et cetera. So we are pretty active  in the open source world in general. So we've contributed quite a lot to, let's say, many  of these communities. And we always try to search basically for the latest and the best.  And we feel that, of course, onCloud fits right there. So I don't want to bore you with  too many slides and things like that, because I actually have the applications here live.  So you can also feel free to ask questions. And I'll also give you a pretty straightforward  user case, what many of our customers are asking for. Our partners are wondering if  there is such a thing. And so I'll begin here. What you see here basically is my production  VNC mail. So Cloud Mail. This is what I use every day. You can see there is it's literally  the working version. So it's not a demo server. What we have here is just onCloud, Simbra,  the VNC talk, and all of these components communicating with each other. So in the first  case, I mean, we are familiar with receiving, let's say, attachments, receiving documents,  whatever it might be. And how do we manage this from the inbox? Once you receive a document,  what we've done is we've developed this integration, which we call the VNC safe simulant. This  basically is giving you access to onCloud from within the email collaboration user interface.  Pretty straightforward. So when you receive an email with an attachment, you can go ahead  and choose what to do with this attachment. If I right click here, you can see I have  some options. So I can either store this email as a PDF file within onCloud, or I can just  push it as a.eml file. And then all of the information that came with this email, so  whether it's attachments, whatever you want to call it, it all gets stored within onCloud.  So basically, it's just the one click. And I can do that right now. So here we have the  save mail to VNC save. So let's pick one. And what we're going to do is just select  the first folder here, not to make it too complicated, and easy for me to delete it  later. So you can see the title is automatically what's the title of the email. So just to  make it really super easy, and we click. And now the email is being pushed as a PDF file  to onCloud. And I can access that email really quickly here. Let's just see. There we go.  So it's been successful. And let's go over to the VNC save. And let's refresh really  quick and click on this folder. And then here we have the VNC community PDF. So the date  right there, the time, the size, and it's as easy as that. So we can do this with any  email that came in. So the next thing is, suppose we have a file that we need to send  out. Of course, we have the sharing capabilities here, as you already know them. So share with  the link, password protected, there's the synchronization happening with the client. You can go ahead  and set the expiration date. You know, if I do a blank search here really quickly just  to show some names, you can give some rights to those users, so internal users. Another  example of what you can do with this is basically just click compose. And any file that's within  onCloud, you can just quickly attach it to an outgoing email. You know, just a click.  So you just click OK. And the attachment is there. So now you can just go ahead and finalize  your email, send it out, take care of that. We continue here. I mean, you see a pretty  straightforward toolbar. You know, I mean, we all know what moving things around looks  like or in the leading, copying and things like this. So just a pretty straightforward,  simple to use toolbar. And this has been quite a popular, let's say, integration with onCloud.  There's even customers like the Vatican are using it. So it's pretty interesting. So let's  see. So that's one case there. Another example here, also what I wanted to do is I have another  server here, but it's the chat integration here. This is the VNC talk as we know it.  So Simbratoch as well. What happens here basically is the same idea. Our goal is to provide these  sort of integrations across the board. So to give you a little bit of a future outlook,  we would love to have this, let's say, chat video conferencing functionality directly  integrated with onCloud. So at any time when you're in your onCloud web interface, you  know, I need to have a quick video call with somebody. We're collaborating on a document  or maybe just start a quick chat. You know, this is something that maybe don't need to  send emails back and forth for a couple of questions. Make things a lot simpler. So what  we have here is just an XMPP server in the background as well as several components of  WebRTC. So it's a relatively complex, let's say, project for us. It's been going on for  about two and a half years. And right now it's getting to the point where it's quite  stable. It's really, really out there. And we use it on the daily basis. So a really quick  example here. I think I will call in Andrea here. So Andrea is one of our founders and  CEO of VNC Germany here. And as you can see here, we have just chat history. So everything,  depending on, you know, how long you want to keep the history, this is depending on your  administration and how you want to handle that. But I can see the chat history and I'll  just say hi to Andrea. And ask her to join me for a quick example of how we can begin  quickly a video call. So just simply click here. And start. So you see we're still within  the same user interface. The idea basically is to give you those unified place where you  can work with. Okay. So here's Andrea. Let me turn around. What I would like to show  you also is just some of the features here, what we have here, which I think is very interesting.  We have a collaboration document right here. And we would love to see further integration  with onCloud when it comes to this because this is a Wiki page right here. And during  meetings, of course, we all have the situation. Somebody must take notes or at least minutes  and be able to summarize that meeting. You know, the video conference. This makes it  very, quite easy. How about an integration where you can quickly push it to onCloud instead  of having to, let's say, ship it around in emails and then receive it and download it,  upload it, et cetera. Just a simple click and send. You know, it makes it quite easy.  Other features, for example, like let me see here. Just takes a second. There it is. Screen  sharing. So I can select, oh, I don't have my desktop. Sharing extension. Must need to  update it. We're doing a lot of work on it right now. I don't want to stop the whole  thing right now, but I need to install it just a quick app or extension to my Google  Chrome. And that basically enables the sharing, the screen sharing functionality. But it makes  it pretty simple. For now, I think, Andrea, I will take you off the video call. Just wanted  to show the guys how we have it. And I'll continue with the rest of the...  Bye.  Bye. All right. So we'll finish that right here. And end it. All right. So there we go.  So that's another thing there. You know, so it's... Here is just another example of the,  let's say, the possibilities. I think the video conferencing, maybe to a lot of you, I haven't  had an opportunity to really meet or talk to many of you. But maybe something interesting  or something that may be required in your network, in your network of customers, partners,  or how you're doing.  The next thing I want to show you is a really, really quick example of our UXF technology.  And this is the response of a material design technology that we're building right now for  the email client. And in the end, of course, our plan is to integrate on cloud further  into this technology as well. And have a unified user interface across the board. So here's  the example. So what you see here is basically the same production server in the back. So  we use the production server in the back. And then the front end, you see, it's just  a little bit more of the things that you're familiar with with your Android or your mobile  devices right now. The responsive and the material design. To show you the responsive  design, I'll go into the developer tools really quickly. There we are. Switch back.  Here we have the inbox. Let me click over here. Maybe a lot of you guys probably have  iPhones. More familiar there. So there you go. It's really quite simple. So we went from  the desktop view to the mobile view. We can switch it over to your tablet view. Let's  go ahead and rotate it. There you go. So this is what we would like to do across the board.  So we firmly believe that our clients, our partners, need that flexibility, make things  a lot easier. And also, I think in the long term, easier to maintain without having to  worry about so many applications and plugins and things like this. Yes. So for the moment,  I think that's the overview that I wanted to show you. Just some of these things that  we are working on, how we have collaborated with on cloud as far as the integration. And  I'm available, of course, to show you in more detail to have a closer look at anything that  I've showed you here. And also, if you have any questions right now, we have a few minutes  to answer any questions, comments, suggestions. I'm all ears. Yes. Right now, there's only  one email right now. So we don't have like a multiple to push it at multiple emails at  the same time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all of that is just based on requirements. That's  if a customer or partner tells us this is what we need, then we plain and simply add  it. That's that's how it grew. In the beginning, it was basically like the one feature and  attachment to own cloud. That was it, you know, and then from there started evolving.  So it's, yeah, if you have some more suggestions or ideas, yeah, we're, we're open to that.  So this is something that we can talk about maybe after more ideas. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.  Here, maybe I'll just walk over to him and make it easier.  About the video conferencing, I was just asking how firewall issues are solved. If they're  using a stun server for doing this. Yes, we are. To be honest, this, this, the background  of the video conferencing tool, I'm not 100% familiar, but I know there is definitely a  stun server in the back. It's quite complex. So I think maybe tomorrow, since I'll be here  also tomorrow, I can have a short, I'll have another talk and what I will do maybe is invite  one of our administrators to the talk since I see we have like an extra 10 minutes. And  this would be a good time to ask any really specific questions when it comes to how the  thing is built. So that would be, I think a good option there. Yeah. Hold on.  Which version of on cloud are you currently using and how difficult is to do the integration  with your own cloud versions and releases?  We are on the latest release basically right now. It normally takes us about, let's say  two days after the release has been done to update it. It's just simple changes most of  the time. And then at least, you know, some testing. So, but it's really not challenging  at all. We've been doing this similar development in the app development for several years now  and we haven't really come across a situation where we're like, oh, you know, we're going  to need two, three weeks or, you know, it's literally a matter of a couple of days. Yeah.  Good. So, there we go. I think for now, if anything else.  Excellent. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for your attention. Yeah. So.
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