Anthropology for kids - What is privacy?
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Dubrovsky, Nika
I would like to present my project called Anthropology for kids and a specific book, that I am working on in the larger framework of this project. This book will look like an ordinary school notebook in which a teacher checks a student if the lesson had been learnt. But it is actually not! I gathered this collection of historical and anthropological notes, so that together with school kids we can think about how the very idea of privacy was developed in different countries and in different historical epochs. In ancient Babylon wealthy women were allowed to cover their faces and their bodies, but the poor ones were not. In the Soviet Union during Stalin times it was dangerous to tell a political joke even in the group of close friends. One of them may report a joke to the authorities. Punishment for a political joke could be a prison sentence. Today more or less all our online communication is watched or recorded by authorities. How does our present relate to other times in history, how is the western notion of privacy related to the ideas in other cultures.
 Welcome to this lecture. I have to now have to look up here because it's Nika, I know. Nika, I hope I pronounce your name right. It's Dubrovsky. Nika Dubrovsky is born in the USSR. I think it was USSR at the time. Yes, still. So not the Soviet Union, but the USSR. And she moved over to New York, I understood. And then last six years living in Berlin, she's an artist. And luckily, artists make our life better and try to give certain color and feeling to this world. She's next to being an artist. She's engaged in projects like this one. Anthropology for Kids. And there is a project here that's going to be related in an open source book called What is Privacy? What is Privacy? I'm going to give you the stage, I think. All right. Thank you. So I'm working on this project for a couple years already. I'm very happy to be here and I'm not an experienced speaker. So I'm nervous. And I'm going to describe this project and hopefully get some advice or maybe find collaborators. I started to work on this because I bought a book about pirates to my six years old son who was learning to read. And I was hoping that it will be a dramatic book about first anarchistic communities with blood and all kind of amazing events. But it was quite opposite. It was this very close product, sugary and kitschy and completely nothing true. I was thinking, OK, actually it's really great to do books for kids but books that will talk about what Dostoevsky calls Curse Questions, something that every human being have to decide for themselves what is family, what is death, what is labor or what is money, for example, and what is privacy as well. So then I started to do these books that kind of I understand them like a social hacking to the social courts because when we get our education and when I saw my son getting his education, we presented with again this close products that then we have to rehearsal and repeat. And it's very rarely that the kids are and adults as well are allowed to really take a part. They made important social ideas and then reconstruct them for themselves. And I want to say that one of the important influence for me was Soviet children literature in 1920s. And it was very important also for the beginning of construction of the revolutionary identity of Soviet people because this identity of Soviet people didn't exist. So before 1937, the Stalin's crackdown, the Soviet children literature was really, really progressive and has a lot of qualities that I think were very important now. So the anthropology for kids is supposed to be a web project with freely downloading books. That's also we put on VikiEdo, VikiKids. And this is a doodle books that kids can draw and write in. So the anthropological idea that for each core question, like what is family, you can have many answers depending on from which cultural background or historical time you come in. And in each of this question, the books is provided in a framework where you can comment and draw and imagine and construct your own identity. So this is a book about history of protests. In Russia, it's called History of Justice because it's not possible to publish and to do workshops with the protest books right now. So this is a story cases that describe in a different type. And one part of the page is always organized like a school book where the child can, but in this case, not repeat, but comment. Then like the book, another book, one of the books that I do is about privacy. That's why I have these conversations here. So this different way of relating to the privacy. And now from my presentation, because the book is not finished yet, I'm going to share the ideas that I have about privacy now and that I'm collecting. So the privacy could be understood in many different ways, like level of access, exclusion, control over the body, home, public space, and so on. But it also could be described as privacy of the body and privacy inside of the public space. And the relationship between public and private is one of the most important and fascinating subjects for me. So we know that in the Bible on the privacy was a privilege. So only wealthy women were able to cover their face and their hands and the prostitute or the poor woman actually have to obligate, obliged to go out with their uncovered. It was a big punishment for not following the rules. So in Saudi Arabia is quite opposite. The appearance of the woman, so they must cover their face. In Europe, one country after another, the burqa is banned in order to protect women and protect our understanding of what is put privacy is. So privacy of others could become a problem for us. And this is a French beach. Last year, a woman who was wearing burqini on the beach in France, she was stopped by the armed police and was forced to undress because the French government passed a law against wearing burqini. So the privacy of others could be a threat, but could be understood as a threat as well. So this is a different way of relating to privacy as a patistas. So the Bala Klavas is kind of a sign that used to invite everybody to their struggle and to relate to them. It's also very important tools that they use in order to be successful in their struggles with the government, because nobody actually can identify subcomandante Marcos or Guillena because nobody can really prove who is he, one person or somebody else. And this type of relationship to the privacy is also allowing them to create a new collectivity that many people in the world can relate to and support that they got from making them protected. So this is our Russian push-rights, that's a kfiatriko anonymity. These girls were, at least, Nadya Delakonik, Vymasha Aleokhinov, were very well known. Their faces and names were public, and then they started to use these Bala Klavas that mostly covered not them but somebody else. So this is another way of related to privacy. If you show in the public space some parts that considered to be private and forbidden even then you really hack into the media. And by doing that you can hack into the public space and deliver some agenda that would be difficult to do otherwise. And now the big fashion industry is also kind of following this agenda and it's a lot of projects that are helping us or could help us if we want to control our visibility and to really change the way how we relate to our appearance on the fly so we can change our agenda or age or whatever. We really want to change. So I grew up in Soviet Union and of course it was the most important private-public relationship in this country. For example, the way how Soviet people look was very known. So we kind of all very much the same. If you see the foreigners in Leningrad when I grew up then they will be the colorful people who immediately stick out in the crowd. Many people also lived in this famous communal apartment that they didn't choose their neighbors. It wasn't Berlin-Waghe. It's more or less some special way of being collective. Of course we have mass surveillance that now looks like very innocent because the government relied on the friends and neighbors telling each other and until certain moment when I grew up in 80s that practice wasn't popular anymore. So some people are saying that Soviet Union was defeated by the citizens telling a joke about Soviet regime. And of course Leningrad was our collective grandfather that always watched upon us. The important part of Soviet elite was an artist and a dissident who had very successfully fought for the artistic autonomy and against the false collectivity. He is a very famous performer. Evikova, in 1979 she was sitting in the back of the building and she told us that she was doing something very forbidden by the public space. This was the generation, the dissident's artist was a generation of my parents. By the time I grow they looked to me very heroic and important. And then when the post-socialism era came I kind of a little bit reconceded my position. This is a performance of the artist in Moscow just very close to Mavzalei where the Lenin is still is. So this is a cake and the people who invited to eat it was in the art gallery, some private crowd including some kids so they successfully ate collective grandfather. And that's how I think for me it's a very brutal and successful image of how the privatization actually happens in Soviet countries. So this is how Leningrad looked in the 90s. A lot of the small places where the people sell each other, everything. Total privatization. Another good example of relationship between private and public was these two guys. One of them on the left, his name is Mikhail Verbitzky. He's an author of a book called Santicopyrite where he explained first time in Russian like Richard Butler, Richard Stolman, Gnu license and all of these important things. He's also a successful mathematician. He is making money going, working in a western university, giving lectures. So the guy on the right, Pugach, from Russian, can translate like being scary. He organized company called Birtel L.C. in which the sole purpose of this company was carrying the rights for a registered trademark on his beard. He was suing other people of wearing a beard that he thinks looks like his. So this Verbitzky was stopped in the airport because he has an open court case against him and supposed to pay around $10,000 because he was announced that he violated a copyright of Mr. Pugach on the beard. He wrote on his blog, like, it looks like a joke, but it's actually not. And then he actually did pay to, I don't know if he succeeded later somehow, got out of that, but it was like a big deal. So I think what happens now with this total privatization of our privacy everywhere is that it's again become a human rights issue very much as it was during the Soviet times but on a completely different scale. So Soviet times are really innocent and homelike, very cute, especially the times when I grew up in H.S. And what I'm thinking by doing these books is like what could be done in order to prevent it from developing. One of the things that I think is very important is to develop tools for kind of social hacking, organizing the social cryptoparties with kids and with everybody else where the different ideas of how we can relate, for example, to privacy could be distributed on a very large scale and become understandable to other people. So I took an interview and published it in Russian media from David Staten, one of my friends in Berlin. And so he was telling in this interview that if we will have certain percentage of people, not even big, who will use encryption in their private communication, it will be too expensive for government to spy on us. And the question is why it didn't happen, why we don't use encryption in this amount of people, why don't we all just join the crowd. I think encryption is complicated to use, but actually probably it's not the wrong answer. The real answer is that's how we understand our collectivity, that we don't need to use encryption so that our privacy is not really so important to protect. So coming back to the Soviet children literature, I think these guys were very effective in a way how they distribute the revolutionary ideas among these vast hundreds of millions of people that were living in Russian Empire in 1917. After the revolution had happened, and immediately after the Soviet revolution introduced human equality, social equality, they accommodated this huge amount of people who came from villages during the Civil War and gave them jobs and feed them in the basic rights and the Soviet Union was preserved. So like in the privacy book, I'm going to speak, as one of the experts, I'm going to speak with Mikhail Kosinski, he's this guy from Cambridge Psychometrics. It's a part of the university that later became a model for Cambridge Analytic, the company that created a software that apparently was used for the Brexit election, political campaign and for the election of Trump. So Mikhail Kosinski was after he created his program of getting information from social network and a big scale about people. He was going around and worried that it could be used for very harmful things. He's saying that I didn't build the bomb, I just showed that it could be built, could be harmful. So I was thinking that maybe here in the Congress I can find somebody who will participate in some ways of making this privacy book more like better, maybe giving it a different form, not being a book but being some kind of small piece of software that can distribute through the social network and then the people not only can answer this question, which Kosinski did originally, but they can see the answers. For example, if they see that I wouldn't care about my privacy, I wouldn't spend time encrypting my email and then he will say, okay, if 20% of the people will answer I will, then no civilians and if 13% of people will answer we don't care, then yes, civilians everywhere. So maybe something like that could work. Yeah, maybe that's it. Thank you. Nika Dubrovsky. Time, thank you. That was great. Actually, I have a personally, I have a first question and I would love to see some other questions here as well. First, the practical thing, I understood that the next lecture will not go through, so we have some more time to discuss and maybe find that collaborator that you were looking for. One practical question, you did some sessions with kids to make this book or? Not for privacy yet. Not for privacy yet, it was other books like Crime and Punishment and protest books, some other books, family. Okay, on a small scale and in Berlin or before in New York where you were staying? So, where the workshops were done and the workshop is a big important part, so it's important to look at the kids' I2I, not just to impose on them some knowledge, but then to allow them to draw and write and maybe introduce something in the book. So, I did the projects in Russia and the process book is for South Africa and yes, I did two workshops in Berlin. Okay, so that was my next question, what is your audience? Before this lecture you told me we are all kids still in a way. Yeah, it means kids are mature. So, if I will be described how to encrypt my email, I will be much less capable than my 14 years old son. Yeah, this little kid here in the back that I heard would be joining your party next to all the other kids here. Is there someone who has a question for Nika? Guys, girls, androids, bots, someone there on the web? No one. Okay, then I have to come up with another question. How do we use that book? When is it there? When it will be published? It's open source, I understood. Yes, put it on Viki Kids, Viki Do. Where can we find this? It's a website where you can download it, but we also put it on Viki Kids. The website is a4kids.org. A4kids.org, yeah. Orc. So, my question was then, when can we see this? When this book will be done, hope like three months. Three months, something like that. Other people here would like to collaborate, probably they will connect you after this lecture. No one here has a question. I feel guilty. Oh my God. Thank you very much, Nika, once again, I hope to talk to you later. Thank you.
 Welcome to this lecture.  I have to now have to look up here because it's Nika, I know.  Nika, I hope I pronounce your name right.  It's Dubrovsky. Nika Dubrovsky is born in the USSR.  I think it was USSR at the time. Yes, still.  So not the Soviet Union, but the USSR.  And she moved over to New York, I understood.  And then last six years living in Berlin, she's an artist.  And luckily, artists make our life better  and try to give certain color and feeling to this world.  She's next to being an artist.  She's engaged in projects like this one.  Anthropology for Kids.  And there is a project here that's going to be related  in an open source book called What is Privacy?  What is Privacy?  I'm going to give you the stage, I think.  All right.  Thank you.  So I'm working on this project for a couple years already.  I'm very happy to be here and I'm not an experienced speaker.  So I'm nervous.  And I'm going to describe this project and hopefully get some advice  or maybe find collaborators.  I started to work on this because I bought a book about pirates  to my six years old son who was learning to read.  And I was hoping that it will be a dramatic book  about first anarchistic communities with blood  and all kind of amazing events.  But it was quite opposite.  It was this very close product, sugary and kitschy  and completely nothing true.  I was thinking, OK, actually it's really great to do books for kids  but books that will talk about what Dostoevsky calls  Curse Questions, something that every human being have to decide  for themselves what is family, what is death, what is labor  or what is money, for example, and what is privacy as well.  So then I started to do these books that kind of I understand  them like a social hacking to the social courts  because when we get our education and when I saw my son getting his  education, we presented with again this close products  that then we have to rehearsal and repeat.  And it's very rarely that the kids are and adults as well  are allowed to really take a part.  They made important social ideas and then reconstruct them  for themselves.  And I want to say that one of the important influence for me  was Soviet children literature in 1920s.  And it was very important also for the beginning of construction  of the revolutionary identity of Soviet people  because this identity of Soviet people didn't exist.  So before 1937, the Stalin's crackdown, the Soviet children  literature was really, really progressive and has a lot of  qualities that I think were very important now.  So the anthropology for kids is supposed to be a web project  with freely downloading books.  That's also we put on VikiEdo, VikiKids.  And this is a doodle books that kids can draw and write in.  So the anthropological idea that for each core question,  like what is family, you can have many answers depending  on from which cultural background or historical time  you come in.  And in each of this question, the books is provided in a framework  where you can comment and draw and imagine and construct  your own identity.  So this is a book about history of protests.  In Russia, it's called History of Justice  because it's not possible to publish and to do workshops  with the protest books right now.  So this is a story cases that describe in a different type.  And one part of the page is always organized like a school  book where the child can, but in this case, not repeat,  but comment.  Then like the book, another book, one of the books that I  do is about privacy.  That's why I have these conversations here.  So this different way of relating to the privacy.  And now from my presentation, because the book is not finished yet,  I'm going to share the ideas that I have about privacy now  and that I'm collecting.  So the privacy could be understood in many different ways,  like level of access, exclusion, control over the body,  home, public space, and so on.  But it also could be described as privacy of the body  and privacy inside of the public space.  And the relationship between public and private is one of the  most important and fascinating subjects for me.  So we know that in the Bible on the privacy was a privilege.  So only wealthy women were able to cover their face and their hands  and the prostitute or the poor woman actually have to obligate,  obliged to go out with their uncovered.  It was a big punishment for not following the rules.  So in Saudi Arabia is quite opposite.  The appearance of the woman, so they must cover their face.  In Europe, one country after another, the burqa is banned  in order to protect women and protect our understanding of what  is put privacy is. So privacy of others could become a problem for us.  And this is a French beach.  Last year, a woman who was wearing burqini on the beach in France,  she was stopped by the armed police and was forced to undress  because the French government passed a law against wearing burqini.  So the privacy of others could be a threat,  but could be understood as a threat as well.  So this is a different way of relating to privacy as a patistas.  So the Bala Klavas is kind of a sign that used to invite everybody  to their struggle and to relate to them.  It's also very important tools that they use in order to be successful  in their struggles with the government,  because nobody actually can identify subcomandante Marcos or Guillena  because nobody can really prove who is he, one person or somebody else.  And this type of relationship to the privacy is also allowing them  to create a new collectivity that many people in the world can relate to  and support that they got from making them protected.  So this is our Russian push-rights, that's a kfiatriko anonymity.  These girls were, at least, Nadya Delakonik, Vymasha Aleokhinov,  were very well known.  Their faces and names were public, and then they started to use these Bala Klavas  that mostly covered not them but somebody else.  So this is another way of related to privacy.  If you show in the public space some parts that considered to be private  and forbidden even then you really hack into the media.  And by doing that you can hack into the public space  and deliver some agenda that would be difficult to do otherwise.  And now the big fashion industry is also kind of following this agenda  and it's a lot of projects that are helping us or could help us  if we want to control our visibility and to really change the way how we relate  to our appearance on the fly so we can change our agenda or age or whatever.  We really want to change.  So I grew up in Soviet Union and of course it was the most important  private-public relationship in this country.  For example, the way how Soviet people look was very known.  So we kind of all very much the same.  If you see the foreigners in Leningrad when I grew up  then they will be the colorful people who immediately stick out in the crowd.  Many people also lived in this famous communal apartment  that they didn't choose their neighbors.  It wasn't Berlin-Waghe.  It's more or less some special way of being collective.  Of course we have mass surveillance that now looks like very innocent  because the government relied on the friends and neighbors telling each other  and until certain moment when I grew up in 80s  that practice wasn't popular anymore.  So some people are saying that Soviet Union was defeated  by the citizens telling a joke about Soviet regime.  And of course Leningrad was our collective grandfather  that always watched upon us.  The important part of Soviet elite was an artist and a dissident  who had very successfully fought for the artistic autonomy  and against the false collectivity.  He is a very famous performer.  Evikova, in 1979 she was sitting in the back of the building  and she told us that she was doing something very forbidden  by the public space.  This was the generation, the dissident's artist  was a generation of my parents.  By the time I grow they looked to me very heroic and important.  And then when the post-socialism era came  I kind of a little bit reconceded my position.  This is a performance of the artist in Moscow  just very close to Mavzalei where the Lenin is still is.  So this is a cake and the people who invited to eat it  was in the art gallery, some private crowd  including some kids so they successfully ate collective grandfather.  And that's how I think for me it's a very brutal and successful image  of how the privatization actually happens in Soviet countries.  So this is how Leningrad looked in the 90s.  A lot of the small places where the people sell each other, everything.  Total privatization.  Another good example of relationship between private and public  was these two guys. One of them on the left, his name is Mikhail Verbitzky.  He's an author of a book called Santicopyrite  where he explained first time in Russian like Richard Butler,  Richard Stolman, Gnu license and all of these important things.  He's also a successful mathematician.  He is making money going, working in a western university, giving lectures.  So the guy on the right, Pugach, from Russian, can translate like being scary.  He organized company called Birtel L.C.  in which the sole purpose of this company was carrying the rights  for a registered trademark on his beard.  He was suing other people of wearing a beard that he thinks looks like his.  So this Verbitzky was stopped in the airport because he has an open court case against him  and supposed to pay around $10,000 because he was announced that he violated a copyright  of Mr. Pugach on the beard.  He wrote on his blog, like, it looks like a joke, but it's actually not.  And then he actually did pay to, I don't know if he succeeded later somehow,  got out of that, but it was like a big deal.  So I think what happens now with this total privatization of our privacy everywhere  is that it's again become a human rights issue very much as it was during the Soviet times  but on a completely different scale.  So Soviet times are really innocent and homelike, very cute, especially the times when I grew up in H.S.  And what I'm thinking by doing these books is like what could be done in order to prevent it from developing.  One of the things that I think is very important is to develop tools for kind of social hacking,  organizing the social cryptoparties with kids and with everybody else where the different ideas  of how we can relate, for example, to privacy could be distributed on a very large scale  and become understandable to other people.  So I took an interview and published it in Russian media from David Staten, one of my friends in Berlin.  And so he was telling in this interview that if we will have certain percentage of people,  not even big, who will use encryption in their private communication, it will be too expensive for government to spy on us.  And the question is why it didn't happen, why we don't use encryption in this amount of people,  why don't we all just join the crowd.  I think encryption is complicated to use, but actually probably it's not the wrong answer.  The real answer is that's how we understand our collectivity, that we don't need to use encryption  so that our privacy is not really so important to protect.  So coming back to the Soviet children literature, I think these guys were very effective in a way how they distribute the revolutionary ideas  among these vast hundreds of millions of people that were living in Russian Empire in 1917.  After the revolution had happened, and immediately after the Soviet revolution introduced human equality,  social equality, they accommodated this huge amount of people who came from villages during the Civil War  and gave them jobs and feed them in the basic rights and the Soviet Union was preserved.  So like in the privacy book, I'm going to speak, as one of the experts, I'm going to speak with Mikhail Kosinski,  he's this guy from Cambridge Psychometrics.  It's a part of the university that later became a model for Cambridge Analytic,  the company that created a software that apparently was used for the Brexit election,  political campaign and for the election of Trump.  So Mikhail Kosinski was after he created his program of getting information from social network and a big scale about people.  He was going around and worried that it could be used for very harmful things.  He's saying that I didn't build the bomb, I just showed that it could be built, could be harmful.  So I was thinking that maybe here in the Congress I can find somebody who will participate in some ways of making this privacy book more like better,  maybe giving it a different form, not being a book but being some kind of small piece of software that can distribute through the social network  and then the people not only can answer this question, which Kosinski did originally, but they can see the answers.  For example, if they see that I wouldn't care about my privacy, I wouldn't spend time encrypting my email and then he will say,  okay, if 20% of the people will answer I will, then no civilians and if 13% of people will answer we don't care, then yes, civilians everywhere.  So maybe something like that could work.  Yeah, maybe that's it.  Thank you.  Nika Dubrovsky.  Time, thank you.  That was great.  Actually, I have a personally, I have a first question and I would love to see some other questions here as well.  First, the practical thing, I understood that the next lecture will not go through, so we have some more time to discuss and maybe find that collaborator that you were looking for.  One practical question, you did some sessions with kids to make this book or?  Not for privacy yet.  Not for privacy yet, it was other books like Crime and Punishment and protest books, some other books, family.  Okay, on a small scale and in Berlin or before in New York where you were staying?  So, where the workshops were done and the workshop is a big important part, so it's important to look at the kids' I2I, not just to impose on them some knowledge, but then to allow them to draw and write and maybe introduce something in the book.  So, I did the projects in Russia and the process book is for South Africa and yes, I did two workshops in Berlin.  Okay, so that was my next question, what is your audience?  Before this lecture you told me we are all kids still in a way.  Yeah, it means kids are mature.  So, if I will be described how to encrypt my email, I will be much less capable than my 14 years old son.  Yeah, this little kid here in the back that I heard would be joining your party next to all the other kids here.  Is there someone who has a question for Nika?  Guys, girls, androids, bots, someone there on the web?  No one. Okay, then I have to come up with another question.  How do we use that book? When is it there? When it will be published? It's open source, I understood.  Yes, put it on Viki Kids, Viki Do.  Where can we find this?  It's a website where you can download it, but we also put it on Viki Kids.  The website is a4kids.org.  A4kids.org, yeah.  Orc.  So, my question was then, when can we see this?  When this book will be done, hope like three months.  Three months, something like that.  Other people here would like to collaborate, probably they will connect you after this lecture.  No one here has a question.  I feel guilty.  Oh my God.  Thank you very much, Nika, once again, I hope to talk to you later.  Thank you.
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