I don ' t know the exact frame data , but I ' ll try to describe what it feels like . The change that made it start working for me was pressing a as if I were short hopping for the first two hits , and then pushing the control stick forward or down and holding a for the third until falcon crouches or starts walking forward . I can execute it with just tapping a a control stick forward or down hold a , but I ' m a lot more consistent going a very brief pause a control stick forward or down hold a . While the brief pause between the first and second presses is in no way required it definitely helps me to be more consistent in releasing a during hitlag . I ' m also not sure if the the comparison to short hopping with the a button is accurate , but its the best way I can describe what it feels like .