Yeah , I think the server is overloaded . If the price was fixed , it wouldn ' t be happening on the profile page as well . And sometimes it goes through , like it is right now for me . <| sep |> I would argue that euthanasia and abortion represents the left wanting individual liberty I have control over my own bodyfate because I do not consider a fetus a person . OK . I might be wrong here but you do say that you see no grey area in this topic , which , weirdly enough , directly supports my claim that both sides see things in black and white it sounds like you can ' t even begin to see the point of view of someone who does . That indicates a high level of certainty . Since you are certain , I ' m sure you have an exact answer to this question what measurable quality makes a second term fetus not a person ? To give an example , let ' s imagine that I claim that human beings with IQs lower than 60 are not persons . After all , some dogs have higher IQs . Generally such mental handicaps have little to no language skills , and cannot survive on their own . They are an enormous , potentially life ruining burden to their families . They will never contribute positively to society . I suggest that if , say , a toddler turns out to have such a low IQ , the parents should have the right to humanely put that toddler to sleep . Do you agree ? Why or why not ? I do not see these as two sides of the same coin by any stretch . Quite frankly I ' m not that surprised . You sound like you are just like any typical leftwinger , and any typical rightwinger a product of the highly polarized , highly tribal divided nation , and a person who has not made a serious effort to actually understand the other side . I have a two question litmus test to see whether a person is actually someone who thinks for themselves and is worth debating with . So , may I ask , 1 do you hold any major opinions which would be considered right wing , or at least is not a conventional leftwing opinion ? What are they ? and 2 Have you completely changed your mind on any major topic since you turned 25 ?