Np ! I was in the same boat as you , trying to figure out what the numbers actually meant in the original article . <| sep |> yeah , i did notice his butt was a bit far from the torso . I ' ve never seen anyone escape from an armbar like that before , or push the leg off the face that easily that late into an armbar . I felt like if it was good technique , the arm would be broken by then even if he was pain resistant , but i haven ' t done nogi before so not sure if the dynamics are a bit different ! <| sep |> fair enough . Then understand other people have those moments too and don ' t need to be treated as trolls . <| sep |> If it takes 45 minutes , it takes 45 minutes , just let it be and bring a booksmartphone . <| sep |> Oh well the 14 is cheaper than the fullzip , but still dont see how to get a discount on anything patagonia .