You ' re making assumptions without data to support your claims . Sure , wealth begets wealth when prudentWhat ? Of course wealth begets wealth . That ' s why thing likes dynasties exists . I can ' t even believe you ' re even disputing this look at the increasing wealth gap . whytherichdogetricher . htmlThis news article has links to two academic papers on the subject but the long and short of it is that richer people will always have higher returns on whatever investment they make . I really really think you need to look into this a little more , because it seems you have an idea set in your head which is profoundly at odds with the real world . Of course people can lose wealth , but when you ' re rich you can hire people who ' s job it is to keep you rich . Not only that , but everything costs more when you are poor . So even if we are simply attempting to meet our basic needs , the richer person will be able to do that more efficiently with access to cheaper credit , bulk buying etc . and that ' s just basic stuff . leadersnetwork 2015 nov 10 p o v e r t y p r e m i u m c o s t s p o o r e nergyphonetariffscouncils Good ideas don ' t require millions of dollars initially to get off the groundThe ones that make enough money to break the system we were talking about in the previous post do and yes , ideas need investment . That ' s almost why the word investment exists . I ' m just goign to jump in here it ' s clear that you and I are having a different conversation in my conversation I want to explain to you how the world really is right now and how it behaves in terms of probabilities . You want to explain to me your libertarian fantasy as you see it but I don ' t even think most libertarians would disagree with what I ' m saying . You think a good idea is all it takes to get someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps ? It does happen but it ' s much less likely to happen than say , someone buys that idea and makes much more profit from it because they have the existing capital . That ' s almost what capitalism is right ? It ' s no mystery why all the Bill Gates ' s of this world were already rich from rich backgrounds . Our society and government ' s primary reason for existence and function should be to encourage opportunity the new ideas to grow into productive ideas . OK , what has this got to do with anything we are talking about ? It ' s not even really a libertarian ideal . It ' s just your fantasy . Prove it , with facts and statistics like you asked me otherwise you ' re just living some super hero Atlas Shrugged fantasy . In fact , no , don ' t , because it is relevant to the conversation . I ' m our technological age , we should expect the market for human labor to contract over time . that is the consequence of the future Age of Machines . Yeah , OK , the age of Ultron . The value of human labour has been decreasing for a very long time due to over population and automation . That ' s nothing new . Half of what you are saying doesn ' t really address my point . I really don ' t understand how this relates to your fantasy that people can break out of the slavery of corporatism by just inventing their own business idea . Its possible yes , but it ' s very very unlikely , the the extent it ' s childish fantasy , l