No . The DVP is not a choice , unless you want to get stuck driving on narrow streets in East York and fighting your way up Don Mills Road . The Gardiner isn ' t a choice either Lakeshore has too many lights and is just as jammed as the Gardiner . The choice is transit , there ' s a lot more of that downtown . And I don ' t see how you don ' t see that what you said has nothing to do with the tolls inside the City of Toronto . You ' re not in Toronto , and you ' re going to somewhere that ' s not in Toronto either . It ' s pretty clear . I didn ' t bring up the 407 GardinerDVP comparison you did . <| sep |> I really hate how they hype up Sekizan and make him like a god , but then he has zero presence during a game . Watafak