They ' re still Gateron casings and stems made by Gateron . So I don ' t think they ' ll be much different from r 3 , which I have . <| sep |> IIRC , TD is the largest nondefault sub on the website . rgonewild would like a word . <| sep |> Welp I guess Republicans can continue to do whatever they want for the next several elections . <| sep |> They do noting and shamatavipassana . Probably better to start with shamatavipassana otherwise noting can lead you to some fairly dark places on the way to awakening . But you can use both . What you want out of a meditation practice is that you can see clearly what to do and how to tell if you are doing what you intended , and if it is working . Both noting and shamatavipassana have this quality , when taught correctly .