Gotcha . I was also under the impression that java ferns were pretty hard to kill . Good to know ! <| sep |> As I recall , that was only due to the twin cores of the wands in action <| sep |> I mean , you were 22 at the time . <| sep |> lil bronie bitch <| sep |> It never went on sale . So it ' s highly unlikely . You ' ll be better off waiting for a sale on GOTY <| sep |> I know it sounds crazy but I fixed this . The problem was I was either stuck on Checking for updates . Or the standalone installer was also stuck on scanning for updates . Twice I ' ve fixed this on two different Windows 7 SP 1 clean Installs . Go here download and install this go here uskb 3138612 Get that update in x 64 or x 86 which ever applies to your OSPlace that one update in a folder named whatever you wantThen open ntlite , click wizard , hit install updates . It will then load up updates you already have i think that ' s what it ' s doingOnce that ' s done the menu will change and you ' ll see the add button . Hit the little arrow below it then go to folders and sub folders click that . Then it will opener a folder finder . Find your folder you named whatever select folderThen hit analyze once the update you need is manually there . Once analyze is completeHit Green button i believe called process . Once installed it will prompt for restart . Restart your pc . Go check for updates and wait at least 45 minutes minimum before then you should see a whole bunch of updates coming in hot . Good luck