I have many international friends , a fair share from the south . I don ' t get their fucking concept of time . Apperativo at 4 ? You show up anywhere between 430 and 6 . Dinner at 8 ? For Italians , you show up at 8 , 8 . 30 latest . The Spanish however , would consider it rude if you show up at 8 as they likely haven ' t even finished putting on their make up , let alone started cooking . Greeks just arrive an hour after everybody else and make up for lost time by being extra loud . Mind you , all these people are punctual professionals in the Netherlands who work their ass off during the week . Please just tell me when to show up . <| sep |> its been a lot more gradual this year <| sep |> This one is real classrrn <| sep |> Sorry , I ' m mistaken and it seems it was five years .