Quite happy with Marshall and SPP . would have loved Berry , but oh well . <| sep |> Thanks for answering . To bad some of them are just for the sake of plot <| sep |> Good guy Google here <| sep |> Ojamas 4 life ! <| sep |> I neither said the match was favored nor do i think devolve fits midrange shaman . I just implied that it doesn ' t obliterate anyfin paladin as uironmunger 2 stated . <| sep |># Steck it to them Emily ! <| sep |> Has anyone checked recently ? <| sep |> but why not provide some datadriven insights into what the Democratic party should doClinton was discarded in favor of Donald fucking Trump . That ' s a data point about 60 million opinions strong and the only data point that matters . She had more than 3 times the money he had . She had more than 10 times the number of media endorsements . All the living former republican presidents voted for her . A quarter of Trumps own party turned against him 3 weeks before the election . So . It is beyond reproach that Clinton fucked up , and we fucked up in choosing Clinton for the democrats . We didn ' t win when we had the decked stacked against the opposition . Is that data driven enough for you ? How do we address the well documented fact that Trump supporters are less likely to be affected by NAFTA and TPP ? 1 Economists never agree on anything . There is no consensus between them on most things , when you see them as a whole and they are often wrong . If you have economists arguing that Trump voters ought not to be influenced by TPP and NAFTA policy , they could just be wrong . 2 NAFTA and TPP are of such enormous consequence to the economy as a whole that there is no job in the United States untouched by its secondary , tertiary and higher order effects . Looking at only the primary effects does not account for the strong possibility of american working class families seeing reduced purchasing power as a result of both treaties something that is not commonplace in the world at all , I should add . 3 the paper you linked has some insane methodological flaws Fourth , the summary data provide mixed evidence as to whether global competition is bearing downmore forcefully on Trump ' s supporters . They are slightly more likely to work in production occupationsand construction occupations , which face stiff competition in the form of trade and immigration , butthey are also more likely to be business owners and managers , groups who would be more likely tobenefit from global competitionOwners and managers are a tiny fraction of the population , even when taken together . Production and construction constitute a good 20 % of the population , and probably a much higher part of the population in the bloody rust belt . Add to this , the paper discusses how trump voters have more purchasing power because they have a lower rent . This is blisteringly simplistic yes , trump voters live in rural areas , but these areas also have higher cost of living when it comes to a lot of shit , like needing and maintaining a car ! And this does not account for the abysmal state of public services in most rural areas healthcare price , unemployment , social services like childcare , schools , government scholarships for college . all of this is very different in rural areas . The average trump supporter may well have much less money to go around than the average clinton supporter . It ' s also not impossible that the average trump supporter has to work more hours , because again , their expenses may well be higher this would account for why they seem to earn a bit more on average . Worst of all , however , the analysis is nationwide you need to examine the rust belt vote if you want to win . I appreciate that you try to provide sources , but this source sucks ass . Yes , there ' s some numbers in there , but the analysis is so simplistic that they are useless ! Lewinsky committed perjury ? Do . do you even know the Lewinsky scandal ? Paula Jones charge resulted in Clinton having a court case against him . As part of this , his own damn defense attorney called former white house intern monica lewinsky as a character witness , describing how bill was a good boy who could do no wrong . Turns out , lewinsky had confessed to her relationship to a friend of hers . Unbeknownst to lewinsky , this friend had recorded the conversations on tape . When she heard lewinsky lie under oath to save the presidents ass , she revealed the tapes . The president had cum on some of Lewinskys clothes , which was DNA checked , proving beyond a doubt that the president had had a sexual relationship with his own damn character witness a person he had clearly pressed to perjure herself to save his ass , leveraging their relationship to do so . This is the most powerful man in the world , pressing a 22 years old former intern , former fling , to lie for him in court , because he ' s too much of a coward to face the music . When it backfired , they burned Lewinsky , both Bill and Hillary . And remember we only know this by fucking happenstance . How many people do you think recorded their friends in 1996 ? It is exceedingly unlikely that we just so happened to have bulletproof evidence for the only case of bad behaviour these people committed to . I ' m not going to address these nonsubstantiated unproveable points about shitting on people . ACDqFL 8 mW 3 sFirst hour describes and substantiates each of these claims perfectly . Optics are a huge part of it , but let ' s be honest , if the Democrats want to be successful , they need to copy the Trump playbook , which is not what I want to see in my party . Nuts . Totally nuts . Trump is a very weak candidate I doubt he could have beaten any Democrat arguing that after 8 years of Obama , we still need more change , we still need a far more left leaning economic policy , we still need substantial improvements for the working class . This is literally the people who voted him in . This is all you fucking need to do Understand the actual purchasing power available to the working class in the rust belt , apologize for the bad policies that have fucked them over , and make their concerns the most important ones . The entire fight against the regressive left is against people who want to focus on identity issues ahead of , as I stated , the working class . And yes , they may well have been sold a false bill of goods by Trump , but you really do not have to do that . You don ' t . This is evidenced time and again by how politicians who accommodate these concerns in other countries gain lifelong supporters in working class voters .