Clearly , Cryptic made some kind of licensing deal with the designer , Adam Ihle . Actually , IIRC according to contest rules CBS got ownership of the design that won . All Adam got was what ever the prize was for winning the contest . You ' re correct about the Vesta though , that design is owned by Mark . <| sep |> It ' s kinda like Bryn and JAlter had a child it ' s JAlter lily , Bryn ' s pose , and Lancer <| sep |> gotcha ! looks like on sale right now for 10 bucks at target <| sep |> Those nips look magnificent <| sep |> The only person i know of is jetkey who uses it . <| sep |>. I didn ' t write it but thy can be use both ways says in the definition . It ' s got it right <| sep |> Good to know thanks man . <| sep |> What about She Fell From the Sky and Oopsy Part 3 from Musclefan ?