A . K . A . , the state of most people ' s pockets around this time of year . Sidenote How long is typically allowed before we can ' repost ' a word ? <| sep |> I think math confirms the theory of forms , either Platonic or Aristotelian . Numbers are not made of atoms or molecules but nevertheless exist nor do numbers take up physical space nor exist in any spacial point . There is such a thing as a natural number , it exists not just in our minds but in some form of reality too . Two apples and two apples are four two rocks and two rocks make four . If ellipses don ' t really exist simply because they are immaterial why do planets move in elliptical orbits ? Why do Newtons Laws ' even work ? <| sep |> HERE WE GO BABEY ITS TUBS VS FAF