I have a massive question about the laning stage and what to do when it is nigh impossible to zone the offlaner and stack pulls still get contested . I guess to get into specifics I played a game last night with my best friend 3 . 5 k mmr carry , I myself am roughly a 2 . 8 k support where I played Venge and he was playing Spectre . Together in the safelane we were up against a dual AM , Beastmaster offlaner where the BM spent the majority of his time microing his boars to harass us . Both of our enemies brought stout shields to lane . I ' m just curious about , in the instance you are basically in a lane where your carry needs large amounts of farm to be effective and where your hero is not necessarily very effective at zoning , what can you do in situations like this ? I read somewhere that the answer is to pull ? ??????? but when I tried to pull camps I would get contested heavily and ended up feeding several times due to boar slow and my hero ' s naturally slow movement speed . My question is pretty broad in the sense that in my bracket you can literally have any 2 heroes get paired in lanes together with relatively no logic at all and I want to at least be able to react efficiently .