I really didn ' t expect old soviet one . The cap , straps and the soviet star are all ugly as hell . But damn , It ' s a ski hood . <| sep |> Yeah defiantly get what your owed . if someone owes you money collect it for sureI am more then happy to continue my discussions with ucuriousmormon . However it must be as I said with both partys keeping an open mind . I keep an open mind but in debates such as this i often see that the only aim of the debating party is to convert me to their point of view right or wrong rather then keeping an open mind to the possabilitys that they could infact be wrong . We all must keep an open mind to all possibility ' s even if the answer isn ' t in our favor . Otherwise were not seekers of truth but pushers of ideas . As for the straw man thing I dont feel that ive been doing so But rather its more of a cop out from detractors to insinuate failure on my side of the argument . Most often then not presenting straw men themselves if anything at all . The thing is most defense for the church has to come from the church . There are a few other saorses one can turn but sadley when it comes to church matters it dose always come back to the church . Which is why i try to quote outside souses in my book and as often as possible . Critics on the other hand have a different issue . They quote an idea then presents an anti Mormon source or I should say a souse who hold opposition to the church . As their refference when arguing that science and history debunk it at which point why not show the science and history rather then a bias presentation . Example here , and yes this is me Tinman DXYYo 5 IrBw 0 As for trolling that ' s not my intention here if it was it would be Plane as day and wouldn ' t care as I can be rather vindictive should I wish to be . However again that I not my aim here . My aim is intellectually stimulating and productive discussion . But if its just going to be a submit to my way or the highway . With spin retorts insinuations of straw man to anything I say rather then true investigative intent then Im going to get annoyed as we are just wasting ours and the onlookers time . As for grammar errors it happens . I wont say it dosent I maybe articulate But Ill admit My grammar could use some improving especially in regards to taking my time to prove read my posts before posting them . Btw Ive been reviewing the original manuscript in comparision to the published print and all of what I have found thus far is correct in the original . I ' m not sure what the heck happened during the final edit but somebody is gonna be in trouble . As for sharing posts from the Book I will share tid bits and touch on various points in detail but I can not share everything from the book as it defeats the purpose of publishing a book . But that is not to say I will not fully address a topic of concern . As to starting a whole new threat I welcome the Idea so long as those here except that this is to be an intellectual discussions in respect for seeking truth regardless of which ever side wins . Not a forcing or imposing of someones standing on the other . At which time i think the best way to start this would be to open the floor to a topic . so someone pic a topic we will address it . Then when finished submit and pick a new topic . I also want to keep from missing anyone ' s post and being accused of ignoring someone or avoiding a topic so lets keep it to one commentresponse per person at a time . Basically people respond with their comments one per person and Ill respond . Dose that work for everyone ?