I dont believe you ' re ugly but you are unattractive . Hit the gym and lose the weight . That should be your number one priority . Also no cardio , only weights . <| sep |> WOW fam , that ' s impressive ! ! How did you get to that ? <| sep |> Such a lovely place . <| sep |> It was not if you weren ' t subscribed to this sub . <| sep |> My husband and I were talking about characterization earlier today . In real life , people are very nuanced . It takes years to really get to know people , and it takes years for people to change even slightly . With fictional characters , writers do not have that luxury . Sure , maybe long running series on television and books , the authors can do it , but even then , it takes actual , real life YEARS to write those . Video game characters cannot be slightly nuanced . Instead , because in reality , we only spend about 50 hours with them in total they are painted with HUGE brush strokes . Quinn Bootlicking traitor . Corso Backward Hick . Vector Hive Mind . Doc Skeezy Womanizer With a Porn ' Stache . Torian Traditional Mandalorian . etc . And we , as players , have to kind of hand wave over a lot and accept a lot from those characters more than we would in real life . Is Vector ' s hive mind thing creepy ? In real life if that were a real thing GOD YES . In a video game ? Not so much , because at least he doesn ' t try to kill me like Quinn did , so that ' s good enough for me . And so , Arcann is painted as this BIG BAD with a VERY BROAD stroke . If Bioware couldn ' t afford to have their characters be overly nuanced before , they CERTAINLY cannot now based off the fact that we ' re ALL the Outlander , no matter what your class origin was . which frankly I thought it was dumb since everyone roped me into a war that I don ' t want and I don ' t care about his children . I am in complete agreement with you on this specific point . Again , this is Bioware ' s fault for homogenizing the story . My Force users care a bit more about what ' s happening , whereas my Agent , who is my main SWTOR character , just kind of nods with boredom every time the Force is brought up . Why should she care , you know ? Valkorion ' s kids are vilified because they are painted ONLY as The Bad Guys . Like , there ' s nothing else , at least not shown in the game itself . Yeah , sure , the trailers and short stories go into some detail , but not everyone reads them or watches them . My sister hasn ' t . She only plays SWTOR every few months and she MIGHT have seen the KotFE trailer once . Maybe . I sent her the link , but I don ' t know if she watched it . So when SHE plays the story , she ' s going in completely blind , so she ' s only going to see what the in game story is showing her . And the in game story doesn ' t show Arcann and Vaylin as anything OTHER than The Big Bad Guys . Again , Bioware ' s fault . Your entire thing about your SW is almost spot on with my female SW . And I would contemplate using her to romance Arcann , but I had her quit out of KotFE as soon as she got Darth Marr as a companion and they ' re traveling the galaxy together , having a blast . And best of all , because I didn ' t finish Chapter One with her , she still has her entire crew , so they can do all the crafting while she and Marr dominate the galaxy together . However , my up and coming DS Jedi Knight ' s one and only LS act will be to redeem Arcann so she can romance him . If I can stomach going through KotFE AGAIN . I don ' t play SWTOR for the romances either , but I do play certain classes because of their romances , if that makes sense . I ' ve made multiple female agents because of Vector . A couple male JK ' s because I rather like Kira . Sadly , a couple female SW ' s because I ' m a masochist and think Quinn can be embarrassingly adorable sometimes . But I also like their stories as well , so the romanceable companions are just icing on the cake . I will support it if everyone wanted to petition romance with Vaylin , Senya , Tora or to make former LI return sooner Jaesa , Kira , Mako etc , especially if that makes everyone happy . Oh , man , Tora as a romance would be awesome . I ' d sign that petition . But I won ' t express any contempt simply because someone like something that doesn ' t fit my preference or conform my idea of what a Bioware romance should be . Eeehhhhh , you MIGHT want to retract your statement about Vector having the personality of cardboard then . You can THINK it all you want though PAll in all , the two of us are MOSTLY on the same page about nearly everything though . You like Arcann a whole lot more than I personally do . But that ' s okay . We ' re all allowed to have our own opinions and preferences . It really boils down to Bioware and their disappointing story . With Mass Effect and Dragon Age , we knew what we were getting into walking into the game though DAO had origin stories that a lot of people wished had been expanded upon . Whereas SWTOR gave us 8 individual stories within 2 separate factions . And it all got funneled into one big , bland mess , which has pissed off a lot of people . And then they added this THIRD SUPER POWERFUL OH MY GOD faction . They really jumped the shark with KotFE and it doesn ' t look like they ' re going to rectify that anytime soon , which pisses off even more people . And then they give you this sort of bland SOOPER EVIL DOOD that you ' re required to hate because Bioware told you to hate him . And then he blows up 5 random planets just for the lulz basically , and you get people who are rolling their eyes so hard they ' re like slot machines when someone says they want to romance that guy . But wanna know a secret ? All of the story people will do it at least once . Even the ones who hate Arcann , just because it ' s something new and different . Of course they will talk about how terrible he is but , hey , whatever . It ' s a video game .