' 72 Chevelle or El Camino on the left ? <| sep |> Someone could tell you the stabilized wood is a more expensive material and harder to work with which is more labor intinsive to justify it . I ' m with you though . I would be scared to remove it from the comforts of my desk for fear of a tiny scratch . Just not worth it . <| sep |> Kamisoriwhere did you buy that beautiful blade ? i want it so bad now <| sep |> Yes came from XKira <| sep |> Yeah you should be able to <| sep |> New Champion of Chaos art is SO BAD . Don ' t let DWD fool you , bring back the old champ ! !<| sep |> Think about letting that car behind you hit you . Seriously . <| sep |> But to say that the Dunmer are somehow inherently or purely evil seems an oversimplification . Oh I never meant to say that whatsoever . Using the word evil tends to provoke a strong reaction around here , but what I meant by addicted to evil was mostly that the Dunmer have a difficult time shedding the ways by which they had to survive in the past , even if they tecnically don ' t need them anymore . It is not for no reason that the Tribunal regime promotes things contrary to old dunmeri ideals , such as generosity , alms , mercy and healing Those are better principles to build a unified society on , and the Dunmer need not fear the Aldmer nearly as much anymore . Basically , the dunmer culture I never intended to imply any biological connection was forged , as you say , in adversity , and I intended to imply that they generally have a hard time moving away from that especially while they still venerate the two supposedly good daedra that taught them those ways . First offthe Dunmer do seem rather continuously drawn back to a strange sense of honor . Even their assassins talk nonstop of honor , and even of restraint . The Tong honors the word of their contract and sublimates bloodthirst outside of those contracts . The Morag Tong is not really a good example , though , because that is an organization implemented by the Tribunal specifically to limit the dunmeri warmongeriness . The honor of the Morag Tong is simply derived from their legal status they have an honorable obligation to only kill those who have legally been targeted . The Morag Tong is somewhat of a branch of the government , or at least controlled and regulated by it , so their honor doesn ' t seem to derive from any devotion to Mephala , but merely for practical purposes . In fact , the Morag Tong seem like a compromise between Mephala and Azura Alright Mephala , you ' ll get to have your murderplots and schemes , but surely we can do it in an orderly fashion ? Deal . Presto , Morag Tong ! Granted , that ' s just speculation on my part . The Redorans and Indorils are also very focused on the idea of being fettered , morallywitness how many of them committed sepuku rather than accept an armistice mandated by their god . The Redoran are pretty much squarely in the Azura camp , and the Indorils are zealots and nationalists they just don ' t want to bow to Outlanders . That doesn ' t mean they think usurpations or intrigue is immoral per se . That type of honor is a lot different from the stereotypic benevolentknight kind of honor , the type of thing SulMatuul would talk about . But even among some Hlaalunotably Vedam Dren and Dram Berothis oldfashioned sense of honor seems to persist . Honor is clearly an important concept in Dunmer culture , evenespeciallyif it ' s deeply interwoven with the Dunmer virtues of revolution , stubbornness and pride . Indeed . The main point was that the only notion of justice or that killing Nerevar was an immoral act comes from Azura that aside from her and her followers , Dunmer generally don ' t see usurpations and intrigue and plots and murder as immoral . A good twothirds of them , the Hlaalu and the Telvanni , are respectively scheming opportunists and homicidal powermad ambitious sorcerers right in the Mephala and Boethiah camp . It ' s interesting that you compare Azura to Yahwe in the Old Testament , because His role actually seems pretty similar to that of Boethiah . Boethiah protects sort of his chosen people while smiting the everloving shit out of their enemies , in some cases destroying the very gods those enemies worshipvery similar to Yahwe ' s actions . The actions of the presumably Boethiahloving Ashkhans of Erabinimsun would not seem out of place for an Israelite warleader in the Old Testament . I rather think that the enemies of Israel in the Old Testament would have thought of Yahwe as a cruel and wicked divine foe , but to the Israelites , His chosen people , he was a stern but loving father . Perspective is everything the Boethiah and Mephala seen by the Dunmer are very different than those seen by other races . Completely agree , and never intended to imply otherwise . Third , it is hard for me to dismiss the Dunmer as eviladdicted heartless bastardsAgain , I never intended to do so . I wanted to say that those specific Dunmer who denounce the actions of the Tribunal to some extent are being hypocritical , and by the standards of dunmeri society at large , the Tribunal did nothing wrong the outrage at Nerevar ' s death was due to Nerevar being popular amongst the Dunmer . The dunmer are the very definition of a Shades of Grey people . I didn ' t intend to say anything else , but I realize my usage of the word evil might make it sound that way . I think one of the central points of the Elder Scrolls is that , no matter where people come from , they ' re still people . Most Dunmer probably go to their jobs and chat with their neighbors and eat their food and likely go their entire lives without stabbing anyone in the back or cutting off anyone ' s feet or anything , just like most Altmer likely go their entire lives without plotting the destruction of an entire species or wearing SS robes and most Imperials probably go their whole lives without scheming to take over the Empire and remove the Elder Council . I agree . That still doesn ' t make my points invalid . So . it ' s tough for me to agree that the Dunmer are addicted to evil . Hypocritical ? Probably . Multifaceted and dualistic ? Certainly . But I don ' t think any moreso or less so than , say , the Nords , who rage about the Night of Tears and answer it with genocide , or the Septim Empire , which proudly bears the shining light of civilization , cultural exchange , knowledge , stateenforced lies , propaganda , and regular civil war . Again , most of your post seems to be about this point of me calling the dunmer evil . It wasn ' t meant to be taken literally call it an addiction to backstabbing instead if you so desire Sorry for the rambling reply like many here , I am tired , slightly tipsy and fooddrunk on sweet Thanksgiving feastings . As I said , really great post I also see that you made a very similar post in The Early Velothi and the Good Daedra . So maybe we don ' t actually disagree at all , but I ' m still posting this reply XDIndeed . I think you might have misunderstood my meaning with this post slightly , but I see where you got the idea .