interesting . i know it applies to secondary damage , like eye of innocencescold ' srat cage but reflect as well ? would that mean that you can crit yourself with a reckless defence jewel ? <| sep |> Before I disagree with you , please know that I loved the oatmeal analogy . nbsp you ' re forcing a being into existence that might end up thinking existence sucks or they might love itThis is true , but of the people you know , how many enjoy existing , and how many don ' t ? How strongly do the people in each camp feel about it ? I ' d posit that while there are a few people who really really hate existing , the vast majority of people are content , if not happy about it I certainly am , and hopefully you are too . Given that , the expected value to the child of being born is probably positive the child gets something out of it . Yes , people have children usually because they want them . That doesn ' t mean , though , that it can ' t be a good thing for the child . This isn ' t a zerosum game the child can enjoy its existence and the parents can provide for him or her while getting the evolved response of satisfaction from having passed their genes on . nbsp This sounds so wrong but I swear it ' s the best formulation I can come up with of what I want to say . Edit a word