Woah , that ' s the same thing . <| sep |> That ' s pretty convenient then . I don ' t quite grasp why people would advise against bringing one for long maps like the event . <| sep |> Nature vs nurture <| sep |> NpShould I have said Omg best crimson lightning trade ever <| sep |> I don ' t think W should be maxed under any circumstance . It feels really bad in the jungle since you miss out on either extra auto attack damage with Q , or mobility with E . All W provides you with is some extra healing and a slight increase in burst which has a rather small difference in terms of damage compared to maxing E . Basically the tradeoff of W is too much when you can get much more with Q or E . Also sustain isn ' t an issue once you get a tiamat or hunters potion . In fact , I don ' t even find myself using W at all when in the jungle , it just feels so clunky when you ' re already auto attacking the camps . After multiple games experimenting with skill orders I ' ve grown to like Q E W or E Q W the most in the jungle anyway simply because they provide a lot of reliable damagemobility as well as improve your clear , rather than relying on a flimsy cone to deal damage .