Let me start by saying that I appreciate how you have become more and more civil in our little debate . It ' s a long way from using terms like libtard and saying I have low energy . I really mean that . I will respond to your points in the numerical order you made them . 1 Its not end of the world , it may not be the end of the human race , but I would hate to see more starvation , violence , and suffering than what we already see in this world . As George Carlin said It ' s not the earth that ' s fucked , its people who are fucked ! 2 I doubt you have any knowledge of climate science ? Be honest to yourself , what research have you carried out or have you read any academic papers on the subject ? I not saying this to make you sound stupid , just saying majority of people go along with it , which would be fine if climate science was a real science . You ' re right , I ' m not a climate scientist . But isn ' t that why we private and public institutions give research grants ? Frankly , science requires a degree of specializing that can ' t be expected from every honest , hardworking American . I was lucky , I grew up in the house of a family physician and a PhD Plant Physiologist . I also went to college . I studied sustainability , but left to peruse a career in the homeenergy industry . I ' ve had the pleasure of hearing climate scientists speak . You say you have an overlapping field an overlapping field isn ' t climatology . . Al Gore ' s inconvenient truth . is appalling piece of pseud science at its worse . Climate Scientists use basic linear regression models like Al Gore , which why you get those scary temperatures in predication models . Don ' t take this concession for granted we still don ' t know how every single effect of climate change will play out . What we do know , without a doubt , is that the the composition of the atmosphere is changing due to the people of earth . This has great cause for concern in addition to the catastrophic extinction of species also caused by us , Ocean A cidificationAcidification threatens us much more quickly than the climate . Funny enough , maybe you don ' t think the air is warmer , but the oceans sure Whether you like it or not , free enterprise relies on the earth ' s resources , especially its oceans . If you like a functioning capitalist economy , you need to address its resource consumption . Paul Hawken puts it brilliantly in The Ecology of Commerce Perhaps during the many battles between environmentalists and businesspeople we have been asking the wrong question all these years . As generally proposed the question is ' How do we save the environment ? ' As ridiculous as it may first sound to both sides , the question may be ' How do we save business ? ' 3 I already told you , both sides were dirty in this fight . Please stop claiming to be a victim by association especially since you decided not to rise above it by calling Democrats libtards . 4 America today or revolutionary america of separation of church and state , religious liberty of all and of course your first amend right . Would be very foreign to the puritans . Right you are Brit , but that doesn ' t mean the Puritans didn ' t have an impact on American politics they did enjoy the religious liberty . Fortunately , we have an Englishman , Joseph Priestly , to thank for shaping a lot of the views of our founding fathers . He helped Thomas Jefferson rewrite his own copy of the Bible to omit any miracles and obscene violence . He lived in England until he was forced to flee for political dissent . The english burnt his home , all he did was use words and promote knowledge . I was under the impression that vast majority of deaths of the native Americans was due to diseases carried by westerners ? Yup , caused by European immigration . Especially imported European livestock . Nevertheless , lets be frank about the atrocities we the civilized people committed against them landgrabbing , scalping , Bison hunting , and no respect . If you ask me the native Americans seem like they are still having a rough time alcoholism , workless and low life expectancy . Racism , loss of culture , little landuse value , are extremely difficult things to deal with . Especially when they still have to deal with them today . Our ancestries all most likely stole land from someone else , so i would not beat up yourself on what your forefathers did to get the birth right of all Americans . European history is much older than Colonial history . One thing Native Americans and Colonial Americans had in common was that we both used democracy in making decisions , the same couldn ' t be said of the Catholic Church and feudal Europe back then , pentatonic scales were considered the Devil ' s music for crying out loud ! . Also , Birth Right ? Says who ? Seriously , who the hell still says it was our birth right ? They seem obsessed with burning forests and their society did not have the written language . Their society was not going anywhere fast to be very blunt . They burned forest and prairies because they understood the beneficial role of fire in replenishing the soil , creating habitat for grazers , and growing trees especially pine trees that rely on fires to germinate . They were ahead of us on that one . If more native leaders picked the British over the french during French Revolutionary war maybe history would have been kinder to the native american tribes , who knows ? They did , at first . After the revolutionary war , the British offered protection in the Ohio territory from encroaching American settlement . Then the war of 1812 happened , and we drove the natives ever westward . History has been ever kinder to Native Americans FYI . Thats because the long arc of history bends towards justice . 5 I ' m ignoring that because I ' m a posttheist . I don ' t care what religion you are , you ' re still a human being and that is the only thing that matters . Both sides have committed atrocities and I ' m sure that if we let them run their own countries in the middle east , instead of installing our own dictators and taking their resources , they definitely wouldn ' t be so hostile towards the west . Also , if you want Islam to change its values in a western society , give it time to do that they will and many have changed . Lastly , I want to take the time to ask you , since you are British , if you have ever attended an American history class or spent time in the rural Midwest .