I mean , they ' ve been missing for a while sadly <| sep |> The thing is , you ' re analysing this as if it was a contest of who has the best abilities and not as a fight . The pillarmen from battle tendency would be on this tier or above , and Joseph defeated all of them , even though They were much stronger . How ? Through his wit and tricks . That ' s how Joseph fights . He doesn ' t run in trying to punch people with hamon or just shooting a machine gun all the time . He analyses the current situation , outsmarts his opponent and comes up with the best possible way to defeat them under the circumstances of the battle . This is why I ' m kind of against making the vines invisible . He could just sneak attack anyone and be done with it . That ' s not really fair and balanced . It ' s overpowered . Joseph can trick highly intellingent creatures with millenia of experience under their belts and hit them with hamon and his other tricks . Making HP invisible is kind of unnecessary , honestly . Joseph can deal with the opponents in this tier without resorting to something like that . Hermit Purple is mostly utility too . Sure , it can be used in a fight , but it ' s main selling point is the ability to posses machinery and do stuff like taking photos of his enemy ' s location , getting audio telling him about situationsthe future or even posses a plane to stop it from crashing . Instead of thinking of it as the minion card you decribed , think about it like a 55 card that , while on the field , forces your opponent to show his hand to you , and can discard a card to stop himself from being destroyed and attack your opponent back . Is he on the same powerlevel as Santana ? No . But can Joseph beat him ? Absolutely .