Full conversion to nonFimbul magna grids still represents ~ 10 % loss in raw attack until 4 Unknowns are in play , for an element that already had the secondweakest magna grid . 6 Dagger Genbu Axe or 5 Dagger Genbu Axe Unknown are the 2 options right now , but until water gets a 4 Unknown , it ' s a very real loss in effectiveness . Though TBH there was no real reason for anyone with a Magna grid to go up to 3 Bows . Even if you didn ' t have unknowns , 2 Bows Genbu Axe was superior to 3 Bows . If you didn ' t have a Genbu Axe , even a 7 th Levi dagger was arguably better than the 3 rd bow superior multiplier below 70 % HP . <| sep |> You ' d have define exactly where the line is between abuse and regular spending . <| sep |> I had thought it went leg kicks then a takedown then another leg kick made it give out . There were a few horrible leg kicks before the takedown .