Well we will be the family with Catan there around 1 so just come up and say hi if you can make it . We should be there through 3 ish . <| sep |> Sounds like you ' re venting . <| sep |> Yeah , this is how I see it . People like to shit on Save the Cat and the Story Circle but they can actually be extremely helpful in getting your story down on paper so you can bend and twist it how you want it . It ' s hard to think outside the box if you don ' t have a box to look at for reference . <| sep |> I ' m wondering if I should try to move Otto Porter . what would the value be ? <| sep |> Wow i had no idea thats why some people run circles around me in pvp <| sep |> Oh interesting . It sounds like I ' m wrong then . I haven ' t got that into raw denim , but the few guides I ' ve seen are usually at the crotch or more commonly 1 below . EDIT Rogue Territory and 3 sixteen measure 1 below . It looks like there ' s no standard .