how do the bonuses even work as a CEO ? cant you just say your salary is 0 . 01 and have the rest of your salary as a bonus ? No idea how it works . <| sep |> So seriously , you were hypnotized and had no choice in the matter ? I had little choosing power to speak of , yes . That said , it ' s not like choice spontaneously disappears . If I were to put it into words . I had the experience of oh , this is happening now , rather than I ' m making it happen . No choice involved in something happening automatically , you know ? You were put under by someone and either didn ' t realize what was happening , or were not capable of controlling it ? Correct , within the bounds of the interaction . Scientific method is a very , very well explained thing . Don ' t play games . If you don ' t know , there is a lot more reading you need to do . You ' d be surprised at how stupid you sound when you ' ve clearly not done your homework yourself . making someone kill . but we have no evidence that this is possible with hypnosis . We have sufficient proof to justifiably believe it possible , if not already in use . If you don ' t want to kill people , know it is against your best interests , it takes MUCH MUCH more than a wave of a hand and some words to convince you otherwise . You ' d be surprised at how little it takes in comparison to your tortureandabuse scenarios . If you allow a very gifted hypnotist to work on someone for months , and they manage to convince the person that killing actually IS in their best interest , then that is no longer hypnotism , it is brainwashing . You ' ve yet to actually define brainwashing . But let ' s see here . Yes , brainwashing is akin to an abusive cult environment . Mild form of long long torture really . Again , how do you define it ? Same goes for modern behavioral psychology livein rehab outfits . They break a person down very deliberately . This is also abusive and very much like a cult . So brainwashing cult ? What about , say , the Kaulas ? The Nathas ? What about the Kapalikas ? They ' re all cults of one sort or another , yet employ nothing of what you described . I think you ' re in over your head here . That amount of control can be very impressive . Even more is the amount of control that the founders of such proved was possible on living organisms . Skinner and his rats , and Pavlov and his dogs . both very much sociopaths mind you . They used much more brutal methods than therapists are allowed to . H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A H A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASuuuuuure . Just in the 50 ' s , surgeons were literally performing heavily destructive and invasive surgery on epileptics . Skinner and Pavlov are nowhere near that level . Or Ewen Cameron , for instance . There is no real comparison to hypnosis there . I assert again , a person needs to actually cooperate with hypnosis . It is not pressured on them . I disagree on both counts . Not being pressured doesn ' t at all imply cooperation . It simply means that the methods are not jarring or unpleasant to your subject , and they comply . Cooperation here would mean that they themselves want to follow those instructions , which is something that is welltested and proven false over and over in stage hypnosis . I think I understand what you ' re saying now . once into a deep trance , the higher filters of the brain suppressed , we are more likely to believe what we hear . Kinda . It ' s important to remember that trance is irrelevant here , because hypnotic phenomena , and increased compliance can occur without a change in state as such . This is why I tell people do NOT watch television when sleeping , or radio . Commercials are built around this . Not really . They ' re built around directly exploiting emotions , rather than hypnotic methods . That is also abusive brainwashing , though so mild it isn ' t even illegal . Though , stronger versions of cult and even rehab methods are illegal in some cases . You ' ve yet to define brainwashing , mind you . Perhaps you ' d like to use the APA definition ? I still disagree with you though that someone can go into such a deep state without wanting to . or even when wanting to , and not come out of it when something very much against their will is said . See , that ' s the thing . Willpower is an abstract concept , completely irrelevant to what ' s going on . All behaviors are rooted in emotions . Hypnosis allows those emotions to be guided and changed in such ways , that compliance becomes automatic . That said , you are quite close in that there are things which will snap the subject out , and those are their safety can ' t make a person jump out a window most of the time , and more importantly this is the exception to the previous point , the safety of their loved ones . If I listened to tapes while I slept a very deep state of very little conscious thought that tried to convince me to kill someone , haha no , that ain ' t gonna work . As I said , there ' s a small number of people who are that susceptible to these methods . About 10 % of all people . You say desirable ends . I say they need to seem desirable to the subject . Is that what you are saying ? Or do you mean desirable to the hypnotist alone , even against their subject ' s will ? The latter . Even if you want to go the supergentle route of making what you want appeal to your subject , that ' s just a few minutes of work .