That is arguing semantics at that point . There is an evolution of flavors that occurs over time regardless of vessel . <| sep |> It ' s a lot to waste on nothing . <| sep |> Normally when people assume someone has done something for dishonest reasons , it ' s because by doing it that way would have put them at an advantageYes . The government thought it would give them an advantage . but your assuming the government chosen to do it in a way that would have put them at a disadvantageThey did not expect it to put them at a disadvantage , but it did . and still claim that was done for dishonest reasonsYes , it was done for dishonest reasons , it did not meet their expectations . now you ' re saying the alternative explanation was mindnumbing incompetence . Calling a referendum and not explaining what each option means , even though without a doubt you are the one going to have to carry it out . It ' s either malice or incompetence . That is the point . Leavers have been saying it can interpreted in one way which is completely dishonest . I ' m not disputing that the government will probably decide how it implemented at the end of the day but first they have to debate it and consider all the options . It ' s not dishonest , it ' s just a different opinion . ' Leave the European Union '. One of the core tenets of which is Freedom of Movement . , that ' s an argument that it was a vote to leave FoM . As the EU are unlikely to compromise on FoM , soft Brexit is against the referendum . It ' s perfectly logical . You can disagree with the fundamental point , that EU FoM but don ' t pretend it ' s not a rational argument . You disagree with them , I disagree with them but their argument is not dishonest , it ' s a valid interpretation of the facts . Apart from Britain having no influence over all sorts of critical decisions that will affect our lives , it going to end up costing me thousands of pounds a year . So I don ' t have as much patience as I used to with sort of nonsense that I used to . Of course the sensible thing for the Leavers to do would be try offer some sort of olive branch to the people who have good reasons to fucked off with them . Instead they go around labelling judges enemies of the people meaning the divisions don ' t heal and the future of this country is likely to be even bleaker . Again with the rhetoric . You know what a nice olive branch would have been ? Not the instant calls for a second referendum from Remain , not the doubling down on the ' Leavers are all idiotic , racist , morons ' ' PostTruth politics ' or the constant agitating for ignoring the referendum completely . Don ' t ask for an Olive Branch from people you ' ve just spat in the face of . If Remains reaction to the referendum hadn ' t been so bad the discussion would be much more open right now , instead many Leavers have entrenched themselves with Hard Brexit for fear of the referendum being overturned otherwise . It ' s really really easy to blame ' Remain ' or ' Leave ' as if those terms mean fuck all . Leave and Remain are not cohesive blocks , you need to see the nuance . You think for every rude thing you say about ' Leavers ' I can ' t throw the exact same back ? We can throw rhetoric at eachother all day and the conversation won ' t move forward .