They ' re becoming so angry and irrational they ' ll eventually just consume themselves . <| sep |> I ' ll bet you ' re real fun to hang out with . <| sep |> By intrinsic I mean the essential qualities of a thing which it has naturally simply by being what it is . You are going to have to show me something in the form of an example to support your point here . Your claim is that The ground could be an intrinsic value which certain things possess . I think it is reasonable for me to ask you to support this claim with an example . Why would intrinsic value need to be physical , or grounded in the physical ? I ' m working under the contention that natural rights require a supernatural moral agent . Your contention seems to be that intrinsic properties can ground a moral code leading to natural rights . I presume that since you are excluding the supernatural , your support will be fully from the physical . If that ' s incorrect , please feel free to show me how you will derive these moral codes from other natural , yet nonphysical entities .