According to , It ' s DKRoy and then Marth then LinkYLinkShiek , feel the cut off should be no one past RoyDK since Roy still feels like a FF but past him no one else really does . <| sep |> What if real life was like that but you never remembered the times you failed ? <| sep |> I think you ' re looking for box style maps <| sep |> I strived for streamentry for months , really , I have been for years , and what did that fighting get me ? Nothing . I can ' t force this , neither can you . At the practical level , I think you are deeply wrong about at least two points . 1 The mind of a stream enterer is different . Dropping the beliefs in rites and rituals and the belief in personality view is a game changer . I think you haven ' t fully realized the differences as there is an integration necessary to fully accustom yourself to what has changed . Also , I think you are confusing your insights with how others see the world . Now mindfulness is so much more automatic for you , but it wasn ' t always this automatic , easy , and deep . 2 Striving spiritually does not cause that final step into stream entry , as for that you do need to surrender . But striving spiritually sure as hell gets you pretty far . Everything I ' ve seen demonstrates a very high correlation between spiritualstrivers and eventual spiritual attainment . So be careful about knocking spiritual striving as , some of that surely got you to where you are now . Don ' t throw the baby out with the bathwater . I think I ' m in the AP right now , I realize that ' s coloring my perception , but I pray I maintain this view as I get ready to wade through the dark night again . Nope . Let go . There is a lot of things to let go .