TIL people don ' t die of natural causes in Russia . Especially not at 89 years old . <| sep |> international continues to operate in other nations under other names , but has associated groups in this country such as love won out . The founders did not say it was a hoax , but they themselves were not helped by the program and said that they knew deep down inside that it wouldn ' t work . That ' s not the same thing as being a hoax . The program was successful for many people . It ' s akin to saying that moderation management , an alternative to AA , is not a good program bc the founder killed 2 ppl in a drunk driving accident and then committed suicide . Yes it was the wrong program for HER but there are many ppl still today who are helped by it . In any case I never said homosexuality was a disease . My own son is pansexual . But there are a group of ppl who for whatever reason , usually religious ones , are motivated to try to change their orientation and we have no right to tell them what to do . That ' s the essence of a free country . Likewise there are ppl who choose to believe in young earth creationism and that is their choice . With regard to what you call discrimination laws and we call freedom of religion , many conservatives believe that people have the right to refuse to do things based on their religious beliefs . Say I don ' t believe in abortion , no one can force me , as a doctor , to perform one or participate in one , nor can they force a Catholic hospital to provide them . If a photographer doesn ' t feel comfortable photographing a gay wedding , should we force them to do it ? Or just allow them to lose business bc of perceived bigotry ? That would be allowing the free market to work . I don ' t think ppl in a free country should be forced to do anything . That ' s what these laws are about . Not about discrimination against gays . Mike pence never said anything about making it a CRIME to apply for a marriage license !