Wait ! Didn ' t he say that to Jess AFTER they pulled rocks and when she was on the way out ? Because if that were the case , that was # weaksauce <| sep |> I think I ' d play hill in that scenario <| sep |> I ' m a little fuzzy in your actual question you ' re having trouble creating references for the planes you want to create so you can draw guide curves or ribs ? Or you can create those planes , but when sketching in then you ' re not aware you should be using the pierce relation ? I ' m having trouble creating the reference itself . I can ' t get the cursor to snap to the point where the curve intersects the plane . I also had no idea what you were talking about aftewards about the plans , but your mention of pierce inspired me , so I tried , and it turns out setting relationship of point and curve to pierce while sketching on the plane will set it exactly at the point of intersection , which is what I ' m trying to do . Coincident probably didn ' t work because . stuff Thanks !