People hear what they want to hear . Particularly those less inclined to honest inquiry and reason . <| sep |> In addition to Mundialito ' s point , the VS is still the most underpopped which is 70 % of the reason why I have a VS alt . If the TR ever take or come close to their place , that is when I ' ll make an alt <| sep |> There ' s no blacks <| sep |> Well the 09 and 11 I had , were okay when I had them . I probably had them both for a combined year . It ' s essentially a $ 15 , 000 car base Impreza with a $ 20 , 000 drive train . In regards to the GR gens I had and the new one , I ' ve just come to expect more from a car than what you get . Fit and finish is very lack luster , especially in the 0814 model years . It seemed that every time it got another 5 degrees colder out , a new rattle would appear . Again , if you ' re buying an STI , materials , ergonomics and fit and finish aren ' t your main concerns . Before I bought the new STI , I had a 2015 and a 2016 Golf R currently driving a 2017 and I got spoiled . Subaru makes a hell of a car and the rawness of the STI is appealing , until I have to drive it everyday . The sounds , the rattles , the road noise . all in all it was kind of like driving a refrigerator around , lol .