This comment has everything a zoke , meta comment , username checks out . D <| sep |> Again , my point is that he hasn ' t BEAT any of the elite . Tonnon didn ' t win that match , it was officially a draw . I know I ' m splitting hairs here because Tonnon was clearly the better man in that match , the fact is that he didn ' t win . It was a draw . I ' m not invalidating his style , I ' m not saying that the DDS sucks or anything of the sort . I ' m saying that using EBI and Sub Only events as grounds for putting someone in the Elite category I ' m talking top 510 % of grapplers in the world isn ' t justified . Now if Garry goes out and wins ADCC ? OK , now we have something to justify it . But as it stands right now , we just don ' t have anything . Guys , remember that a week ago I was arguing that I thought Garry would beat Rafa in EBI rules , so it ' s not like I ' m a Garry hater . Ryan Hall made a strong and valid point that made me reconsider my position , and say that there isn ' t enough of a body of work to say Garry is in the elite class of top 510 %, and if Garry isn ' t then Gordon and Eddie most certainly aren ' t because he is their most accomplished grappler .