If such schemes are popular then visa free regime is valid issue , not some fearmongering . <| sep |> I ' ve found that you ' ve just got to ignore more nutters than usual but when you do that you can have good discussions like before . It used to be we had one resident loony at a time , now there ' s 4 or 5 I could name off the top of my head . <| sep |> How can you preserve liberty in a world where you are hypothetically the most libertarian state . You need sovereignty , and border control . I haven ' t been convinced but possibly even trump style trade regulations . We are dealing with other non free markets in the first place . If it can be proven that more fair trade is impossible , then I could be okay with strategic trade rules for the us .