Mm 15 was definitely the best <| sep |> They ' re both opiods <| sep |> I don ' t know how you interpreted my statement to be an approval of mocking fat men . <| sep |> I didn ' t see it as manly science vs . womanly intuition at all . Louise was very mathematical . I did think they made some points about valuing femininity but IN NO WAY do I see that as saying irrationality is superior to logic haha where did you get that from ? I thought it was more like , love and connections between people fit within the bounds of logic , and mathematics . I thought they were more saying there is no stark line at all . I don ' t see where you got that they weren ' t portraying linguistics as a science either . . . huh . You seem pretty passionate about it though so I ' d be interested to hear why you think that . Anyway , Ian could learn the language but did not fully understand it that ' s why he couldn ' t change his perspective of time . Not because he ' s a man and logic but because he would have had a hard time accepting knowing the future and not changing it , and having that acceptance is essential for understanding the language . the it can ' t be changed because Time theories don ' t hold . If all points in time are equal , then either noone could ever make any decisions , or we could be just as free all the time . I don ' t know what you mean by decision . People can make choices but the idea is that they always would have made that choice . The idea that a choice is actually changing something something that already exists , the future would just be a sort of illusion . Yeah people are making decisions but if the universe is deterministic they just always were going to make that decision . This isn ' t that far fetched , I mean , a lot of people think the actual world is deterministic as well . Even if it ' s not , it seems like a lot of what we think are choices are actually just confabulation . Our brains present a chain of events and make it seem to us as though we consciously initiated actions that were actually initiated far before we were aware of them . But in the movie it is very clear the universe must be deterministic , else how could heptapods see all of time at once . That doesn ' t mean decisions don ' t matter , it just means to make another decision than the one you actually made is physically impossible . So then can you explain how it ' s possible to simultaneously perceive time while existing outside of time ? How did she make decisions ? Why did she make the decisions she made ? How it ' s possible to perceive time with existing outside of time is an interesting question , and I ' m not sure that in the actual world it is possible . But it ' s not clear that the dichotomy is that stark in the movie . The heptapods do perceive time just not in the same way as we do . Not sequentially but all at once . They can still see everything that happens within it and act within it according the the purpose of the universe , there just is no other way . I mean whether you buy that this is possible in the actual world is another thing , but it ' s certainly a coherent piece of fiction .