I got a win in Renowned Explorers , but not a serious roguelike . and I can ' t decide which to focus on , honestly . I don ' t particularly like ADOM , but enjoyed Brogue , Angband , and ToME 4 . Just not sure that I need another one in the backlog . P <| sep |> I ' m sure someone here would gladly have you join them for thanksgiving man . I ' m so sorry for your loss <| sep |> Haha thank you ! Also the advice is appreciated ! thank you for the kind words <| sep |> I mean , agree , if you are at a 5 v 6 , things look bleak . But zarya can just distance and melt rein shield till your rein is backmcree can stun over shieldgenji can contest point easily , slash thru and dps a bit from behind . The rest of your team can always move between point and the door to assist on covering both , make rein expose his back to the players not on point , etc . Chances are your best bet honestly if it ' s a 6 v 5 is to have mei wall off the other 5 and assist killing the rein , which is pretty easy to do in under 15 seconds if you have 2 people , he can ' t shield 2 directions , which of course , leaves you in a 5 v 5 , but at that point , your rein should be back before their rein is , and you can hopefully clean up , especially if mei makes sure to wall off the entrance as respawners try to come in . you should never be hit by his charge in a 1 v 1 regardless , like the original rein should have never been hit by charge to begin with . All im saying is I don ' t think giving up the choke is the best or only solution , really depends on how your team can handle the rein on point , how hurt he got on the way charging to the back , etc .