Going back to your original comment which you edited without marking the passages you added ? we certainly see a sense of entitlement to have an increadibly smooth run only with those you consider on your level but I think we ' re a bit in a tie situation because in a way you ' re not totally wrongI ' d love to hear how it ' s entitled to choose to play with people that are at the same ilevel as me . I don ' t see how anyone could logically argue that that makes someone entitled . Am I entitled because my guild will only take high ilevel players into our Mythic prog ? Am I an entitled CS player because I always built my competitive CS teams around the best players I could find ? Am I an entitled professional because I hire the best people to work for me ? Now , the point I ' m making is that you don ' t have to sacrifice your ability to achieve these goals , because there are many players you ' d reject concluding from what you said so far for groups that would neither slow you down nor require your help , but still struggle to find groups because of a mindset that simply unnecessary in the extreame inviting only people equal or higher your ilvl that we see it every day in Groupfinder . We already went over this so if you ' d like you can address it directly instead of bringing up an argument I already debunked . When you ' re dealing with random people there is a single thing that you can base their skill or better yet in this case speed of clearing on . That ' s their itemlevel . Yeah there ' s amazing players at 850 on alts and there ' s retarded people on 875 mains . But I ' m taking a stab in the dark picking someone and the chances are far higher that the 875 knows the dungeons , paths , and is similarly interested in clearing it as fast as possible . That is not an unreasonable assumption by any means . In fact it ' s by far the most logical one . So again , never once implied that people have to be 870 for a fast smooth run . Just that it ' s far more likely that the run will be both faster and smoother than an 840 group . As to the last part of this snippet . There is no struggle to find groups at 840 . I just checked , in fact I waited to reply to this so that I could get to a computer and try . Listed an 840 group and it was full in 2 minutes . What ' s stopping other people from doing the same ? From grinding WQ and getting their gear higher ? From running a random heroic and making a friend ? Joining a guild that will help you out ? Running LFR ? Answer that . Now this is a tricky one . The way I see it a big aspects of the game are a grinds and farming . You have admitted to dislike and be bored by that . It seemed reasonable to assume that if you still do them you spent around half the time in WoW on things you wouldn ' t do if they didn ' t provide benefits for the thing you want to do . Not sure if it is miserable but it would make me miserable . I dislike farming mats . It ' s tedious and boring . It serves a purpose that ' s required for me to raid Mythic though . Running normal mythics is boring because it ' s so easy , but I don ' t really dislike it . It ' s relaxing to just breeze through content while I catch up on TV shows or podcasts . I never said I dislike grinding . I grind M constantly and have a great time . I grind NH EN and have a great time . Something being boring doesn ' t mean I automatically find it miserable . That ' s a bizarre conclusion to come to . I find sitting in a server and perfecting flashes and smokes boring but I did it every day when I strat called in CS . Is every single human miserable in their job ? Because every single job requires some boring aspects . Not saying WoW is a job but the metaphor fits . Oh common ' you can ' t tell me that I ' m being an elitist for being snarky about other games doing your favourite thing better and then pull that line . Yes I can . Your comment has nothing to do with the subject at hand . It ' s just a jab at me or other people that focus on PvE progression . Mine is actually on topic and touches on the reality of WoW . It is not hard to gear a character and if you do not want to put in the work but want the gear , this game isn ' t for you . I ' ve said more than once that if your goal in WoW is something else then more power to you . But that ' s a reality . People who can ' t commit enough time to reach 840 gear over time with WQs and Group Finder activities are a different deal than comitted players with families and dayjobs who just simply can ' t grind as freely and actually . still are a big part of the overall community . And I hope they have a great time . I don ' t see your point . Generally amount of time invested progression , so , if you can ' t put in the time you just kinda have to accept where you are unless you want to seek out carries which plenty of people offer . Should we hand people gear because they can ' t play often ? There are more casual guilds than mythic progression ones . Pretendending that those in one deserve to be free from meeting and dealing with active casuals in an open world is a bit . elitist . Who ' s pretending that ? Not me . Again , you ' re not responding to my post I guess . Bottom line if you don ' t have to go out of your way to make someone elses WoW experience better and you don ' t do it , you ' re not in the wrong . You ' re simply not putting in any effort to improve the harmony in a diverse community . And that seems contradictory with your advice to make some friends and do something with the community . So I noticed your bottom line doesn ' t support your argument that I ' m an elitist , something you seem to be backing off of without actually admitting that you were wrong . That ' s fine . Not everyone can admit that they ' re wrong and I realize the word means literally fuckall now . It ' s the new hipster I guess . How is it contradictory ? I make friends almost every day running M . You come to some weird conclusions . EDIT because I forgot to wrap it up how that feeds into my initial comment And if you can ' t be bothered with people who still can use mythic dungeons for gear progression , you ' re dominating and influencing a part of the game that specifically caters to these people in a way that is negative for them . Your choice . My choice to call that sad and unnecessary . Dominating and influencing ? Please do explain . How am I doing this by running content with people who are similar gear score ? Again , super bizarre conclusion and this time with your added touch of melodrama .