Yep , these are my experience , all in cm before and after 40 C wash , 30 C don ' t change anything . shoulders 46 45 chest 57 56 sleeve 62 lenght 77 73 <| sep |> In a democracy failed policy and failed leadership are punished at the ballot box , and therefor the particular faction associated with those failed leaders and policies . A democratic form of government can ' t survive or can ' t be called a democracy if that mechanism doesn ' t exist . If your point is that Kim and Campos didn ' t cause Trump to win , then of course not . But that ' s hardly the point . SF progressives ' counterproductive housing policy has been a primary cause of driving out practically all of the SF middle and working class . The Bay Area housing crisis has worked to make the entire state of California poorer and dragging down the over all health of the US economy . There ' s no question it ' s hurt the appeal of progressives . Fortunately for liberals like myself SF progressive probably haven ' t been blamed as much as it ought to have for it ' s destructive policies . I know you know these things since you ' re the one that ' s provided me several links on the topic . Why are you playing devils advocate , bothsidesaretoblameism on this ?