Nobody deserves anything in this game gameplaywise . You want something , you earn it . <| sep |>?? You just said wikipedia is a battlefield of propagandists . Now it ' s a credible source ? Pick one and stick with it . One does not contradict with the other . In general Wikipedia is a credible source to get an overall picture on any topic . But when it comes to especially contentious topics there always groups of people who make malicious edits . Remember you ' re the who insinuated this by saying that it was probably the Turks that edited the article to which replied that the Kurds also have dedicated ewarriors who would fight such efforts if it were 100 % baloney . The the particular claim on wikipedia is backed by a source ORSAM . The claim is about whether or not the Sultan Murad division should be considered hardline Islamist . Given that the Sultan Murad division is a Turkmen group fighting alongside Turkish soldiers as part of Euphrates Shield , I don ' t consider a proTurkish government point of view aka ORSAM neutral . Wikipedia is no longer part of the discussion . We ' re evaluating the information directly from its original source ORSAM . ORSAM has an incentive to lie to make their allies seem more moderate and therefore more acceptable . See here ' s your problem you just conclude that ORSAM is full of shit because they ' re Turkish . You give no further reasoning , no justification , no past misdeeds , nothing . Oh they ' re Turkish they can ' t be trusted . You sound like a complete loon writing dribble like that . Just like my own country , the United States , has consistently lied about the moderateness of the rebel groups it supports . The U . S . government has an interest in spreading disinformation on that front for PR purposes . Same as Turkey does . Same reason not to believe what is said . So everyone spreads lies and disinformation , but I ' m supposed to take pro YPG members on an online forum calling a random group extremist at face value ? Do you not see an inconsistency there ? If you want to believe the Turkish government position on whether the allies of the Turkish government are nice people , go ahead . I ' d rather go get information that ' s a little less selfserving . I couldn ' t care less if that group is Jihadi light , deluxe or feminist , modern and western like YPG . I just took issue to your attitude to dismissing everything Turkish as propaganda .