If you ' re sick you actually can get another shine off the first one if they don ' t SDI it away . It ' s hard though and isn ' t reliable in my experience . <| sep |> SD if you are ok with a more casual look . Also great for weekend . I have 2 pairs . For a bit more business casual I would go with 6030 . Yes , they fade with time but are the most comfortable pants I ever had . I own 4 pairs . Fading also is not that bad and take some time until noticeable from others . You can get at least 1 to 2 good years of use before it starts to look too bad . When I started buying at outlier , I went with 6030 and they got me hooked . Also , Outlier has a great return police , so you may try what fits you better . Hope that helps . <| sep |> Calderon can at least shoot so he provides something . Robinson should be mop up duty only