Hidden Power Fighting for Shinx , and if the issue for Froakie is the HA , then Torrent is fine . <| sep |> Eh , I know some guys who did gymnastics up through college and then got chubby into their 30 s who can still hammer out standing backflips . A lot of landing is technique based and you don ' t really lose those reflexes . Obviously that ' s due to a lifetime of training , but don ' t sleep on the chubby guys , you ' ll lose bar bets that way . <| sep |> I never even brought up the fact that CP 3 got up and complained . <| sep |> Get a childcare job , e . g . neonatal nurse . Maybe not that one , too many bad feels at the start . <| sep |> Hmm , the tone here seems to have escalated quickly . ad hominem You attacked your opponent ' s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument . Consider these two responses 1 . Shut up ! You ' re stupid and you ' re wrong ! And probably ugly ! 2 . Wow , that sounds like the type of really flawed argument often made by that widely discredited , and famously nasty and often creepy , group of internet activist dudes we all know about . Which one of those is an attack on an opponent ' s character ? Which one deals with the nature of the argument ? tu quoque You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser you answered criticism with criticism . Is there a difference between the following ? 1 . Well . so , what about your insert personal scandal or problem ? 2 . Actually , the comparison being made in this argument seems unfair . Those two things are not the same . personal incredulity Because you found something difficult to understand , or are unaware of how it works , you made out like it ' s probably not true . We all understand what Men ' s Rights Activists believe and say . We all know what their arguments are . Relatedly , are these the same response ? 1 . I refuse to even try to understand this argument , because I don ' t want to . 2 . I know about this ideaargument , and I intellectually disagree with it , based on the following . special pleading You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your claim was shown to be false . What goalposts ? Isn ' t this a discussion about domestic abuse ? Which women are more often the victims of ? For clear and proven historical , political , social , and physical reasons ? Nobody gives a shit if women are the weaker sex , or were oppressed and TRIGGERED . Okay . That statement seems indicative . Which people don ' t give a shit ? Women who are victims of domestic abuse ? Their friends ? Organizations working to help abused women and their children ? Domestic abuse is domestic abuse . Same way a black guy cannot cite centuries of oppression under slavery to justify killing a white man . How did this suddenly become a debate about race ? It may be noteworthy that this is another area where white men have historically enjoyed much more power .