So you want to use parlor tricks to fool men ? That ' s as bad as guys wearing multiple layers of clothing to ' look big '<| sep |> I ' m so glad this subject came up because I was about to make a post about this very same question ! My players are about to encounter my demon Glaberzu who has been pulling the strings and handing out quests to them . These guys are relatively new to DnD so I ' ve been able to get away with a fair amount . For instance , our fighter is wearing demon armor gifted to him not knowing it had the curse properties . This happened four weeks ago and now he ' s just found out he can ' t take it off as he tries to wear something else . So now he and the rest of the party want to get revenge on this demonic figure . So next session I ' m going to have them encounter said demon but he ' s been scrying them . keeping tabs on them . He KNOWS they are planning to come for him . So they will have a hard encounter which they may win . but if they do not he ' s going to capture them as he finishes his ritual . Worst things then death exist . like being a form of currency to some dark thing in the depths below . You will know soon enough . Now this is where I ' m concerned about going TOO FAR with a player . I ' ve given our Wizard the Hand of Vecna and he ' s attached it . I want to cut off his hand and put it around his neck before tossing him into the under world with the rest of the party . They ' ve done some evil things so this would be karma coming to be honest . They are so murder hobo at times . I want to toss them into Hades because of the Rule of that Plane that gives exhaustion . So they feel pressed to escape or be turned into Larva and traded as currency amongst night hags , demons and those who wander the underworld . They will arrive to a bleak scene of old hags cooking up the larva souls of those who ' ve fallen to despair and exhaustion in Hades . After their first rest they will be able to do a Insight or Religion check to see if they can discern what could happen if they stay too long in Hades . MY PROBLEM with doing a check like this is trying ask my players without giving things away . SO how would you feel if let ' s say . I cut off your hand during the campaign ? LIKE why else would I ask that ? !