Agreed , my water shut off valve had a hole in it that had self sealed over time until newb home owner me decided to turn the water off to work on a different issue . what a nightmare . <| sep |> Now get the fuck outta here ! <| sep |> Thank you I was happy to find the artist I did . He is amazing ! <| sep |> Savage af . I wish I could 1 think of stuff like this on the fly and 2 deliver it . Cold . <| sep |> They are so ban happy no doubt many actual supporters had to create new accounts after being banned for making real , sensible for TD posts . The effect over time is what you see now . Incoherent meme cheerleading and incessant name calling . <| sep |> The question would be what counts as the last move . If I get control on the last hold but couldn ' t pull up on it to reach the bar or whatever then I wanted to know if the climb was rated 5 . 8 with the understanding that controlling the last hold was the last move , or with the understanding that something else was the last move . I didn ' t want to cheat myself out of really finishing a climb but also didn ' t want to beat my head against the wall trying to complete a move that was never part of the route .