I do agree with your sentiment and your points that there are people who are not going to contribute to your discussion and its nice to corral them I still find that poor aesthetics is distracting to the communication . Then again I ' ve done some UX design , and I care about aesthetics and readability . Active disregard for these principles offends me even when its ostensibly useful . <| sep |> I think that marrying your 13 year old cousin is pretty much country roots right there . <| sep |> No . Shady business and rigging aside , Clinton still GOT MORE VOTES during the Primaries . <| sep |> ATTA BOY KREIDS ! <| sep |> Whoah whoah whoah . Many would argue , and have argued , that nihilism is extremely important culturally and historically and socially . Nihilism , I think , helped stripped away much of what humans thought of as Truth , big narratives of religion , etc . Maybe I ' m being grandiose , but Nietzsche probably paved the way , with help from industrialism , into the catastrophes of the early 20 th century , which got us into space , and pushed the human story into a place where we can start to define our own meaning . Perhaps nothing is as important as the freedom to define our own meanings , away from the grand narratives many of which are still trying to cling on and premade meanings that are existing in the world when we ' re born . But to get back on topic I don ' t think this is an attempt to disguise nihilism by extending it to abstract thought . I ' m sure nihilism is compatible with a number of interpretations of mathematics , reality , and so on . I think the question of the realness of abstract math is complex . It can ' t be reduced to an attempt to disguise nihilism . But I would argue , probably ad nauseum , that nihilism is and has been very useful , for many thinkers , and countless people , in some form or another .