You just rent the theater you don ' t have to buy individual tickets . <| sep |> I ' m trying to talk about the reality of a capitalist system we live in , if you have to disconnect yourself from reality in order to justify capitalism then I think that says a thing or two about your philosophy . I don ' t need to , it ' s just a different discussion . There ' s the theoretical realm and the practical realm , and there are justifications for capitalism in both . Right now we ' re talking about the theory . Most of all human history has been like this and it ' s not even relevant . It ' s not . And this is what is then used to justify the current capitalist society , which is where my biggest problem stems from . You can ignore the awkward fact that the theory lends credence to a system you don ' t like , but that ' s on you . I ' m not goign to work from the starting point of the theory of property I ' m going to work from the starting point of reality . This is exactly what I was talking about in the first post , assuming what you are trying to prove . But you clearly were when you said thisYouI never said you couldn ' t , I said it is done but it ' s through civil law , not through labor like the labor theory of property says . MeBut what I ' m asking is what about the labor theory of property says that continued labor is necessaryYouThe by working on common or unowned resources , people turn it into their own property because they own their own labour part . I ' m not saying you agree with it , but you ' re clearly operating within the realm of the labor theory of property and saying EVEN GIVEN THAT , the continuation of labor is necessary , and I keep asking why and you don ' t seem to have an answer . That ' s all I ' m interested in , all I was ever interested in , and you seem dead set against answering that question , so I suppose I ' ll be on my way .