470 8 gb should be the same price right ? And it also good as amd drivers are solid now compared to the cutdown version of gtx 1060 3 gb . <| sep |> your loss % probably went up . <| sep |> I used to work with dairy cows , I doubt you ' d be able to pull its leg out from under it . Those things are built . <| sep |> Hitler would be a German shepherd . George Washington would be a shitzu Too tired to think of any others . <| sep |> I ' m fine with believersI really am . I have HAD a flipflop of my own that I continue to be unable to explain to my own satisfaction . That ' s one of the reasons I continue to remain here , hoping to find something new and interesting and potentially explanatory . Sadly , what I find most of the time is yet another post about the same 10 or so ME ' s as though they were brand new . That gets tedious . People unwilling to debate possibilities I find equally soI don ' t know for certain what DOES cause the ME ' s that are actually interesting , and I ' m all up for debating those .