IMO you are talking out of your ass . <| sep |> bradmajors 69 has the best comment so far . Sleep is so idiosyncratic . Some people need more , some less . Yes discipline is crucial , but only once you ' ve found a sleeping pattern that actually agrees with your body . I would add that there are supposedly things called Circadian Rhythm Disorders google it ! , which might explain your difficulties . If getting up at 11 am feels natural for you , you might actually find you can go to bed later and still get up at that time refreshed , getting more out of your day with extra some nocturnal hours for workplay . Or maybe you just need more sleep than most . The key is not to try to force yourself into some arbitrary schedule . Experiment to find what your body wants to do ideally , then create a rigid schedule around that , and stick to it like glue . Again , google especially googling circadian rhythm disorders will help you with techniques for that kind of experimentation . Or I ' m sure a medical specialist could help , if you could find one . Anyway , good luck . As someone who also struggles with sleep , I sympathise . Edit looks like a good place to start