I recently got this keyboard because I wanted the extra desk space . I absolutely love how small it is . I don ' t miss the keypad . <| sep |> Your 1 st point is a gateway to a huuuuuge argument about utilitarianism that won ' t be simply solved by just saying no this is wrong . The goal of beating Lucifer down had nothing to do with the People of Tokyo . The people of Tokyo were not fit to live in harmony with the people of Mikado . They weren ' t genetically engineered like the Mikado people were for life under the authority of angels . Not to say that it ' s justified , but from their point of view killing Lucifer did have something to do with killing the rest of Tokyo , since the only reason they wanted to kill him at all was because he was guarding the Yamato Perpetual Reactor . Otherwise he would ' ve just died in the black hole . And in Nocturne ' s case , it ' s to commit mass destruction of billions of worlds in the scope of the Amala universe . The TDE was pretty vague . It ' s still not well understood what exactly it means to end the cycle of creation , or whether Demi fiend even completed his task . If he did defeat what was implied to be either the Axiom or YHVH , then SMT IV and Apocalypse probably never would ' ve taken place . you endup killing people who were starved , driven insane , and who suffered in a harsh worldI don ' t remember this as a part of Devil Survivor . I remember taking away people ' s phones , but I don ' t remember any murder besides Naoya ' s route or the law route . Regardless , this all boils down to the characters ' relationship to the player . The characters in Apocalypse feel a lot more human than random nobodies in Devil Survivor and you are also constantly put down and been the object of indignation for your decision to follow Dagda ' s path . The degree of guilt tripping that was seen in the Anarchy ending is incomparable to other games , with a few exceptions coming close to the mark like killing the Manikins or your party commenting on their doubt about their actions in DeSu . People are probably a lot more iffy about the Anarchy ending because of the emotions involved . and you endup saving it from eternal genocide , eternal wars , and basically everything the White repeatedly warned us about and the chief reason all the other gods were pissed off and wanted to take back control . You don ' t prevent eternal war . Stephen warns you of the Goddess of Tokyo raising new messiahs in other universes and it ' s implied that the other gods and demons wouldn ' t tolerate your reign over that universe either . Even then . Whether or not you involve humanity in the war is also vague . Whoever you choose as your megami will comment on them making new humans in case they ever get killed . But we don ' t know if this is in reference to the possibility of them being killed or whether it ' s likely that they ' ll be killed . The latter implying that humanity would be directly involved in the war against the rest of the multiverse . The former would be more acceptable . If it was just you , Flynn , and your megami vs . the rest of the multiverse then it could be more easily justified , but if we ' re to take the latter for truth then it makes things more difficult . Too many uncertainties to make a real judgment about the Anarchy ending . Though it ' s probably better than YHVH ' s universe , the Peace ending still has a degree of safety because the Goddess of Tokyo will just reincarnate you and Flynn in case YHVH or some other cosmic threat ever arises . And you could do this without killing your friends or starting the universe over . But that leaves the question of how demons will coexist with humanity . blah blah blah I think you understand . My purpose isn ' t to justify the unreasonable hatred towards the anarchy ending even though there ' s worse endings , but to say anarchy isn ' t a great ending itself , especially in comparison .