Problem is , they would actually , really be sued if they sold a season pass and disappeared the way they did . <| sep |> Im taking tonight off of work as my supervisor dosent want me to risk turning an upper respiratory infection into Pneumonia . but after this Ill be attending to holiday matters and will likely not be able to respond further till after the festivity ' s . Note i did not call you a lier but said based on your response that you are either ignoring it or just lying to save face . No disrespect intened . the fact of the matter is your arguments are bias toward the criticism of the church . you yourself do not stand on a natural perspective but insist push the my way or the highway idea . then insist I am doing so myself This is not a form of disrespect but an observation . I personally remain open to either side but if its an argument i have already delt with and seen the answers to then I have no reason to beat the horse any further . what you and other fail to realize it that I was a regular christian before becoming LDS . and even after being baptized l still was for the moist part inactive for 7 years learning everything I could for and against not only the lds but other faiths as well . I sided with lds because aside from regulare christian churches teaching various and often conflicting doctrinal ideas , and having so many unanswered questions relating to something that should be so simple and clear yet from then wasn ' t . These enlargements against the church are so easally refuted . With new evidences poping up all the time . you argue straw man but thats not really the case is it ? You present an argument it gets addressed using available evidence and is explained in a manor that makes sense then you cry straw man as the critics have nothing else to give and are desperate to be believed . But on the subject of straws I have seen that the critics arguments are nothing more then grasping at straws . desperate to find or atleast insinuate fault or falsness of the church . Why else would critics focus souly on men rather then God as it relates to another church , but when someone looks at their church they say look at God not man ? further more why would leading critics of the church as your quoted favorite Hugh Nibley say in an essay How to Write and AntiMormon Book Rule 17 In place of evidence use rhetoric . When one is making grave criminal charges , either directly or by broad implication as all antiMormon writers do , questions of evidence can be very bothersome unless one has the wisdom and foresight to avoid all such questions . the public prefers rhetoric to evidence . Because they know that if dealing in facts they risk loosing to an intellectual mind should they choose to look into the matter for themselves rather then take the critics word for it . Same with casting something in its worst possable light . if you can shape someones perception of a topic before they see it they are more inclined to side with you as you have already put that perception into their mind . take your argument about Joseph F Smith for example , your argument here it that his statements to congress suggest that he is say revilation for callings ended with Joseph Smith when JFS said No , sir it has been the choice of the body Not looking at the other side of things which is in the early days of the church the revelation was by smith alone but in later years was delegated to the 12 and not just the prophit by way of revelation to which everyone must be in agreeance having been prompted by the spirit . Again grasping at straws out of desperation . Why ? Why is it they would go through all the trouble just to destroy our faith when like many of them we are Christians . Well that ' s simple . To them we are not Christians . See Chapter 6 . In the mind and understanding of the Christian antiMormon , ours is a corrupted doctrine . A twisting of Christianity . So they are trying to save our souls based on what they know and have been thought . Using arguments from archaeology , science , and miss understood or miss represented LatterDay Saints doctrine and history . See chapters 5 , 7 , 13 , 14 , and 15 . They do this for the same reason we as LatterDay Saints have missionaries . Another reason as to why Christians fight against the church is a two part problem . One . They are upset with the fact that we believe ours to be the one and only true church of Christ and that all other Christian teachings are wrong . In this respect it is understandable as to why Christians are upset with the church . This statement and belief is threatening to the Christian community . It brings into question and threatens the credibility of Christianity . This leads us to the second problem in that being that their credibility has been threatened , they feel that we are using this to quote poach their membership . Which is a big problem for Christian denominational leaderships . In that preaching is their job and sole source of income . Aside from tithing ministers , pastors and preachers are paid so much money per seat filled in their congregations . This money not only goes to their salaries , but utilities , rent or building payments , and other regular expenses . So in this instance every convert that the LATTERDAY SAINTS church gets is a member or potential member that the mainstream Christian ' s will lose . Thus every member lost is money lost . All of this goes back to every topic addressed in your last statement . Claming strawman and or twisting words as if someone with a shred of intelligence couldn ' t desern not only the facts for themselves but also these tactics . Seriously straw man , claiming avoiding the topic ect . These are bogus and dar I say desperate tactics and intelligent people know it . And to think that you can fool people weather the debating party on the onlooker is insulting to their intelligence . Now you can go and say im avoiding addressing your points . But the fact of the matter is I already have addressed and I not feel that we need not run around in circles repeating our selfs . Especially if you have no interest what I am actually saying . where as your only intention is not to have an intellectual discussions where both party ' s take what the other says into consideration , but rather try to force me to except your point of view just because . Now you can argue that I , m attempting to do the same . But that is not the case . I am open to being proven wrong provided you or any one can provide any real evidence rather then insinuations , twisting s , questionable evidence and rhetoric . And 2 . I really dont care to convert you . In fact I cant . Only God can do that . Further more I dont really care what you believe . you can be a Christian , and athiest , or even worship the Flying Spaghetti monster or even Santa Christ for all I care . That ' s your choice and your right . I will not force my beleifes on you or other people but will respond appropriately when confronted by critics or serious investigators . Have you ever read the BOM , DC or Pearl of great Price on your own outside what whats been shown on critics references ? Further more have you ever looked at any of the churches responses to the critics claims and really considered what they present from an unbias standpoint ? Having investigated things from all angles for your own peace of mind rather then being swayed one way or the other ? I ask this not to convert you but to be a true critical thinker rather then a bias critic . What ever you settle with in you findings or determination is up to you and will be respected . But play the game and try to win honorably by sticking to real facts and evidences rather then trying to cheat with the spin doctor , rhetoric nonscence . Anyway again have a happy Thanks giving and Ill catch you and the others later .