I ' m really suprised you cared so much to answer . bad pun intended Is the limit just if X player my item level elitist ? No , in my book an elitist is someone who goes into the open community and chooses to belittle people for being less involved . Who thinks itemlevels directly reflect player skills and outweight useful class unique abilites and irgnore that some people don ' t have the luxury or time for a guild as active as a mythic progression guild . I would also count people who can ' t hold a fulltimejob while playing WoW , which is mildly besides the point but I do indeed regularly forget that there are people who are able to clear their WQ log every day fully and spent more than 30 minutes solely on farming materials . In a world where you can ' t do everything , doing only the things that provide the best payoff is logical . In a world where you can , you are very correct there , it would be foolish to let a lockout slide . Now from your original comment I was under the clear impression that we are still talking about PuGs not your organised guild runs . If you want to steamroll through mythics and you have your guild group of likeminded people , I wouldn ' t know how I ' d have the right to criticise that . But in PuG the difference between an 840 player who might still get loot he needs and has experience with the instances either from previous runs or mains and an 880 player isn ' t that big , especially with the difference in AoE between some classes . Some people require so much time just to group up before the dungeon that you ' d be done already with a disciplined group of 840 s . And that doesn ' t even cover player personality . I have 875 and you wouldn ' t want to have me in a Mythic . So yes , if you think as an 870 you need all 870 to have a fast and smooth myhtic run , you ' re being elitist , because you believe that the itemlevel directly reflects the players ability . If 45 players are overgeared to the no end , the 5 th person makes practically no difference and choosing to carry someone might actually make their day . Lack of compassion , lack of interest in anyone below your level and lack to care for opportunities that don ' t hurt yourself and mean a lot for others , that for me , is elitist . Some of the rest By this definition nearly no new legion content is trivial . Normal mythics can drop legendaries and 895 gear . So by your logic , it ' s only trivial to people who have at least 895 gear in every slot . Obviously this is a shit definition , not sure why you even thought it applied . Not necessarily , the likelyhood of something titanforging to 895 in a regular mythic is so little that it ' s not a reasonable gamble you ' d do if you have only somewhat limited time available . The better your gear gets the less you ' ll even profit from one item titanforging 880 so trivial would be considered that where you can ' t reasonably expect to get an upgrade for the time and effort you put in . That ' s of course a somewhat subjective thing , where you draw the line . Personally , I avoid to do things where the odds are below 1015 %. Everyone in this game that takes raiding seriously does boring shit in order to maximize their gear score so they can progress . Maybe . But you forcing yourself to do boring shit shouldn ' t affect the way you treat people who choose to play a game solely for the fun and to log off , once it stops . If you can ' t raid mythic without becoming a pain in the ass for everyone outside your little circle , it ' s again the question is that really worth it ? For me , the beauty of an MMO goes beyond just the guild setting if I only wanted to do coopraids with my buddys , didn ' t care for player and faction interaction , world design and lore , I ' d not play WoW , so yes , I have a hard time understanding why people choose to play the game in a way that seems to displease them most of time apart from when they do something other games do better .