Played for an hour before uninstalling . It ' s awful <| sep |> Thanks ! Gonna go with Origins and see how I like it <| sep |> I ' ve said this SO many times , but I am SUPER GLAD that I wasn ' t the only one that thought that . P I am a proud owner of the Paragard , and hopefully , in a few years , I ' ll be a proud owner of a Tesla . and will hopefully be an employee at Tesla . <| sep |> I don ' t think Mick ' s ever written a mod mail . <| sep |> And so you can drop them at least in Olympic lifts . Plz don ' t drop the 5 kg ones though . It makes CF box owners cry . <| sep |> I was able to play around with both . The Tom Kuhn was pretty difficult to get a good solid throw as their was no gad for my finger to go . The Ace was pretty fun . Throw was good and he had put some sticker pads inside of it to make it a bit more responsive . I was able to do a couple tricks with it . He actually gave me a old YYF Grind Machine , but I can ' t seem to ID it . I ' m working on a post to get some help from the community though .