All of the above . I want to finger you , lick you , kiss you , and fuck you as long as you want . <| sep |> I ' ve played a lot of the new Talon and have mostly been running 12180 with tld and ghost and have had good success . I think if you ' re not taking ignite you already lose some of your early game kill pressure therefore tld loses some of its value . G h oststormraidersghostbalde makes for a deadly combination and allows you to stick to targets super well which can help a lot later in the game . As for taking 12 offensive or defensive , it depends on your lane . If ur against like malzahar or viktor or something similar where you ' ll probably just be pushed in then 12 in def in better but if u want kills then 12 in offense . Overall I think tld and 12 in offense go together to try and snowball from early kills . and stormraiders and 12 in defense go together in harder lanes where you don ' t need the extra damage in lane but will have more utility in later game .