Why is a consistently successful team going down a bad thing ? <| sep |> Pull them off slowly with my teeth <| sep |> He knows how to play the media . Hopefully his rhetoric as a demagogue was only for voting purposes . I fundamentally disagree with his protectionist stance . <| sep |> Yeah , I just ran my 3 phones 8 hours over night and I think I only got like 300 acorns . Seemed like a solid earner , what a shame . <| sep |> Yes , that would be amazing . I ' ve been playing tons of Lucio because I love playing mobile classes , but I can ' t for some reason get the wallriding down . <| sep |> But murdering people for no reason is wrong because it is vicious indicative of awful character . What I have concluded from everything you wrote is mainly based on Virtue . So good and bad as something internal not external is exclusively based on virtueThen killing someone for no reason , is vicious , rape is vicious , and going to casino and spending all the family savings is vicious . So all are bad actions for the simple thing that doesnt fulfill the Virtue despite they were perceived as good in the moment of doing them by the one in the exampleStealing any type of stealing is vicious , is not a Virtue , as Seneca said , noone will ever claim anything in my house , comparing stealing as another vicious , then is not a Virtue then is not goodnessWhat I ' ve found at this point is that the interpretation of Virtue in ourselves is the main guideline of goodness or evil actions . It doesn ' t offer you a getoutofjailfree card from the consequences of your actions . In the other point noone said in the conversation , that Stoicism offered this card . Actually jail in this sense is a consequence , apart from being judged or not . Is not good or evil by itself . You can kill someone because you strongly trust in some virtuous justice , and your physical logic have enough evidences , that not doing so could lead into a family member murdering in the near future . But for that action you can go to jail because society laws determine that you cannot kill for that reason . So your action was Virtuous but the consequences jail are not good or evil by themselves . But you can kill someone to satisfy your pleasure , with exact same consequences , but is not virtuous action , is vicious . Anyway I ' m still learning about all this , this are part of my conclusions after some months of reading . Still difficult to find what is good and evil , but I ' m starting to believe that this is part of the wisdom track of life . The main problem as you might have perceived , is the virtuous action is strongly based in Evidences , as the example above about the Syrian situation in USA not enough evidences about possible terrorism lead to a physical logic that not permitting their entrance is some act of vicious uneven distribution of safeness among the society and not accepting suffering with the uncertainty of an unlikely attack , is a vicious act of lack of courage and not accepting the pronoia that human is good by default . The only thing I found difficult to understand , is that Stoicism is strongly based on evidences to take actions , as part of a physical logic that obviously can be evidenced by nihilism as part of the controversy . But this is one of the few sources of decisiontaking mechanisms that human currently have available , this is maybe why Stoicism is not perceived as a good scholar ' s philosophy , rather , a doers philosophy with what you have you have to do something because you will never have enough to be 100 % sure that your decision is going to lead to good consequences , specially considering that consequences are not really relevant but you are ought and responsible of taking the actionAnd doesn ' t really matter , if 3 rd parties think that the action was virtuous or vicious . It has to be virtuous for you in order to be good . Where to find Virtuous ? Maybe throw the examples in most of the Stoic authors and our own experience . One of the most important things in the Stoicism is about perception . Selfperception at least . Wisdom is the selfcapacity of knowing that the later is vicious killing for pleasure and the first action was virtuous killing as anticipation in case there weren ' t alternative solutions and a severe time constraint . Quite long this thoughts btw P