Same with bouncing off the walls . <| sep |> But these are just based on numbers as usual . If the 20 % slow adds some noticeable changes in game such as added peeling to keep your ADC alive , then it could still fit in some scenarios . I honestly don ' t ever see that being the case since your e already slows and your w already slows . Like , before hand I like the item when I played vlad because , well , it gives ap and health and vlad gets more health and ap from those . I ' ll probably stick a ludens in my build and go something like SV ludensprotobelt zhonyas dcap void staff with luci boots . Or cut the zhonyas for protobelt , or go ludens protobelt and cut the SV if I ' m in a matchup I can be excessively greedy in .