While Horde is open to newbros it fills a more traditional role and not one designed for alphas . I would suggest Pancakes which is also a PL affiliated group set up by Waffles SniggWaffe for alpha clone pilots in lowsec . You ' d be just as new as everyone else there . <| sep |> maybe to ford this is all really just one huge game . why the fuck not ? haha idk <| sep |> 16 hr epicMore like 23 hours . <| sep |> I too felt this surgethennothing action . its depressing . The last turbo car I owned as most turbo cars do these days did it as well . it was a B 5 Audi S 4 . the loss of torque at the high rpms after 5000 was depressing . upgrading the turbos was too expensive to justify increasing that loss of high rpm power . I sold it 2 months later .