Or use JNI Swing if I was swimming in penguinheavy waters . As a Linux user , please don ' t . There ' s nothing more terrible , slow , and bloated than a Swing app on Linux . Just ask on rlinux how people feel about it . Maybe JavaFX is better . If I ever have call to do another native desktop UI , I ' ll probably look into QT . Yep , QML is good . <| sep |> That sounds about right . <| sep |> I knew he didn ' t , but wasn ' t aware anyone else was suicidal to try it . It ' s a dumb , dangerous move , that ' s super easy to mess up . When you ' ve got the Young Bucks telling people not to do a move because it ' s dangerous you probably shouldn ' t do it . <| sep |> The charity gift voucher is always my go to gift of choice . nice people like them and arseholes hate them , and have to pretend to like it lest they out themselves as a total wanker !