I have a very negative view of karate and all Traditional martial arts because they ' re bullshitThis is an incredibly ignorant position to take . Many of them have lost their original context , but the majority of them had purpose and a proper time . And to the point , many of them are still plenty applicable to a modern selfdefense context , which I ' d argue is more important than the works in the ring context you seem hung up on . recent political events exacerbating this frustrationYou seem angry about a lot of things . And the dojo owners are snake oil salesmenMinimall Karate shops that say black belt is our goal may be , but this is a wildly inappropriate generalization . TMAs like Karate , Taekwondo , Kung Fu , etc . are laden with deference to a master and ceremonyYou ' re confusing deference and respect . For most it ' s not about deference , but maintaining discipline , offering respect to elderstradition can be , but not inherently bad . Regardless , none of that relates to any point about snake oil salesmen . Also , just for your education , Kung Fu is not a singular entity . For that matter , neither is Karate . effective martial arts like BJJ , Muay Thai , Boxing , Wrestling , Judo , SamboYou ' ve not established them as any more effective than the other arts you listed . You ' ve only offered welltread criticism of how some of those are taught in the US . We respect the instructor because they prove their mastery every dayI have at times taken some TMA classes , and I ' ve never chosen to do so under an instructor that could not prove this . Case in point the absolute hardest , toughest fighter I ' ve ever trained with was a fresh off the boat Wushu instructor . I didn ' t believe my friends who had started classes there when they told me , and he hit my disbelieving , arrogant ass in ways I never thought possible kicked harder than I ' d before or have since seen . The 6 months I spent in that school 20 years ago were the hardest training I ' ve ever undergone , too , in any art I ' ve trained . There ' s no demand for respect . Its inherent . Its a given . No , it still has to be earned . It is in no way inherent . There are plenty of bullshit BJJ schools , too . Teaching TMAs as self defense is dangerous and irresponsibleMore ignorant nonsense . Teaching a kid to stand up for themselves with some woowoo arm flailing bullshit with zero simulation of practical , real life application is irresponsibleThis has nothing to do with art , and everything to do with school . You can learn disappointing , unrealistic junk in an MMABJJ school . I ' ve seen just as many disillusioned BJJ blackbelts as Karate blackbelts , who discovered fights didn ' t work like in the gym . Japanese jiujitsu involves lots of pageantry like bowing and demonstration of technique on a nonresisting opponentThat does not describe all schools , or even all of how normal schools train . I will put money on ANY seasoned BJJ white belt against ANY Japanese jiu jitsu black beltI couldn ' t help but notice you put the qualifier seasoned in front of the BJJ practitioner . This is telling . Even you realize the ridiculousness of your bet . Most of us haveSounds like a hilariously local bit of confirmation bias . You realize you would never have been in a position to have seen the opposite , right ? BJJ is not magically better than JJJ because you believe you ' ve seen some crossover from presumably American JJJ schools . training ten years , comes in to try our version of jiu jitsu and get their asses handed to them by scrawny little white belt that ' s trained all of six months . Your hyperbole is completely transparent . We train with moves grounded in reality , not traditionSo do many TMA schools . The only tradition part for some of them are that they ' re attempting to pass down things that worked at some point , for particular reasons . We teach techniques that have been battle tested with resistanceAgain , so do many TMA schools . And by the way , that black belt usually never comes backHow convenient for your analogy . And humorously enough , probably more telling about your school and your arrogance , than about these alleged practitioners .