I ' m not bailing . I ' m here right now <| sep |> So from looking this up and playing with it , it seems that the hidden meter just has a height and width of 0 , so that relative position still works off of that ' singularity '. If I had to guess , the value that the hidden option uses would be either 0 or 1 , depending on the measure ' s output . You could maybe use that for your relative positioning Y # rThis would mean that when the measure equals 0 , the meter is hidden , and the Yposition would be 0 r , and when the measure equals 1 , the meter is shown and the Yposition is # r . I ' m thinking something like that could work , but I ' m not sure . <| sep |> oh wait i also have lime suns , i didnt offer cuz you already have them but you could easy 11 for another color