Welcome to my world BOOKEVER . jpg <| sep |> I can see the roots at the bottom of my 5 gallon , in fact I could already see them like 2 weeks ago . But I ' m pretty sure that they have tons of room to continue growing before they would get root bound . I planted these beginning of august , so they have been vegging now for close to 4 months . <| sep |> That ' s not true in the slightest . <| sep |> Scorch can do the exact same with his thermal shield . We shall see if it ' s unintended or not . <| sep |> I need to be higher . <| sep |> It does not work like that . They want to help you . They want to extend mercy . They are not allowed to just automatically df someone . I was on a lot of committees when I was an elder . But they still are Brain washed y wife told me how the elders once approached her and told her they were going to disfellowship her mother . I think she may have been smoking . My wife asked them if they had spoken to her . They hadn ' t ! They never did disfellowship her . I know it doesn ' t make sense , but exElderHawk , there really are no rules when it comes to DFing someone . I was an elder , too , and I saw some bullsh ! t in the few JCs I took part in . It really depends on the temperament , and sadly , the intelligence of the elders . And more importantly , whether it is their desire to help or to pass judgement . Passing judgement to keep the congregation clean was always the strongest motivation , in my experience . Edited for brevity