Stories like these are the reasons I don ' t carry pillions and will never do so . Survivors guilt and being blamed are things I don ' t need to live with . <| sep |> I have been trying to remember where I first saw this . I ' m stumped . <| sep |> This guy , up up up ! <| sep |> Plato believed in preexistence , not sure what the early Christian believed in , there might have been some preexistence ideas floating around low angelic christology . As to springing from the judaic beliefs , I would have to ask how did the idea of an eternal soul evolve from Judaism ? <| sep |> That happened in the intro to one of the Wrong Turn movies . A couple of people are camping near a river and are attacked by the monster . When the girl tried to run she gets shot through the back by an arrow and it comes through her nipple . The whole rest of the movie involves another group getting chased through the woods by the monsters which aren ' t actually monsters but inbred mountain people Thy do resemble goblinlike creatures . I can ' t remember which Wrong Turn it happened in . There is 6 in total but it would have been from 13 . They came out between 20022009 I think . I ' m sure it wasn ' t 46 because they weren ' t as widely released as the original three and I haven ' t seen any after 4 lol . Edit definitely 3 . The ending has one or two of the survivors killing the last monster . When a cop comes by later to investigate he is killed by the monster thus revealing it to have survived . The group that is chased by the monster is a group of convicts that escapes after their prison transfer crashed