CRAWLING IN MY SKIN <| sep |> Don ' t blame you haha , thanks for the help your extension is awesome . <| sep |> Work for the seat belt grip , putting your head right next to theirs . Use your legs and feet to guidemove them so they can ' t get their shoulders to the mat . <| sep |> I don ' t see you . Are you still connected to wifi ? <| sep |> Same discussion Sexual behavior . The kind of sexual behavior that spreads HIV to the greatest degree is 1 . number of sexual partners 2 . contraception safe sex 3 . Frequency of sexual encounters . True , but you are forgetting one big variable . The odds any given partner is HIV . I think we are both looking at this problem the same way , but you are calling it something else . Would you agree ? I think the question I unsuccessfully tried to raise is why is this language used , who is the organization that promotes the spread of HIV ? I can ' t think of any , and if that is the answer then this is just campaign rhetoric . Point is it only looks like Pence is being antigay here if you start by looking at it with the lens that previously assumes he is antigay . Just to make sure I ' m clear about what I ' m saying . I don ' t think he is or isn ' t antigay . Looking back at his record and who he associated with I believe it ' s not a stretch to say he was representing a group of people that the majority were not friendly to LGBTQ organizations and what the represented . I listed some of the bills below that didn ' t represent the majority of LGBTQ community members . I listed the bills and I noticed you said you know some gay friends that were not for those bills . It doesn ' t surprise me , as some of my libertarian gay friends wanted to have the government back out of marriage altogether . To tell you the truth , I ' m all for it . The end game is to allow LGBTQ to have the same rights as any other citizen , regardless of what laws and bills were enacted . I ' m not saying its impossible that he would have been supportive of gay conversion therapy , but I do think it is unfair to state that he is blanketly for gay conversion therapy . The way the headlines are read its like people interpret it as forced electric shock therapy for children forcibly enrolled by their parents Again this is from personal conversations with my liberal friends . Sure , I understand and agree . Headlines grab a person ' s attention and are most likely not written by the person who wrote the story . People who write headlines often work to grab your attention quickly , with something pointed . Something you should know since you ' re headline grabbed my attention . That ' s not true . There are documented cases of it working , and plenty of testimonials from exgays . exists a myriad of other evidence that being gay is psychological , partially psychological , or psychologically convertible . There are correlations with wealth , cultural environment , race , etc that we would not expect to see if it were purely a genetic event . Gays report childhood abuse in much greater number than nongays . So let ' s look at this , out of ~~ 97 ~~ 61 participants only 23 % or around 14 people became exgays . I ' m not counting those that used chastity because that didn ' t past your goal saying it worked and converted them to exgays . Even your link had the following to sayIn short , the results do not prove that categorical change in sexual orientation is possible for everyone or anyone , but rather that meaningful shifts along a continuum that constitute real changes appear possible for some . The results do not prove that no one is harmed by the attempt to change , but rather that the attempt to change does not appear to be harmful on average or inherently harmful . Several cautions are noted in the research report The authors urge caution in projecting success rates from these findings the figures of 23 % successful conversion to heterosexual orientation and 30 % to successful chastity are likely overly optimistic projections of anticipated success for persons newly entering Exodusrelated groups seeking change . So your own evidence is not that convincing . It still leads me to believe it won ' t work , it showed no evidence that these people weren ' t bisexual and just shamed into not acting on their homosexual desires . Not really nongay but more like forced heterosexual . I think that is great news . If you could change sexual orientation then what would stop homosexuals from setup conversion therapy for those that heterosexual and want to be homosexual ? see the gay bombHe ' s been talking about unifying and protecting all Americans , and has specifically referenced the LGBTs as being a part of that . I didn ' t get that news , so i ' m glad he has changed his stance . I can ' t wait to see that reflected in upcoming bills . Look we both disagree and my statements and your statements are not going to persuade each other to the other side of the argument . But I think it ' s important that we reach out to the other side and learn about their position . I feel I now understand why you feel the way you for this subject . You feel frustrated that Pence is being pigeonholed as the antigay candidate and I feel that if he truly wants to get out of that spot that actions will do it . I hope he and you prove me wrong . Until then I have a healthy scepticism going forward .