I ' ve read the only way to do it is with that remote that doesn ' t seem to work for anyone <| sep |> The video on here has him saying it after the 4 highlights kennedy <| sep |> It doesn ' t matter what the rest of the build is . Actually it does . You specifically asked regarding three catalysts that are in general not that good outside of hybrid casting or hex casting . If you ' re trying to limit yourself from using multiple catalysts then it might be worth having a less efficient Greatheal in favor of much more damaging attack spells . White Hair Talisman is capable of combining pyromancy with miracles at a reduced Spell Buff . If your preferred pyromancer don ' t scale , it might be a viable option , otherwise it might not be . Same goes for sorceries and the Crystal Chime . Despite having scaling in both Fth and Int for normal miracles , a 4040 build is still better off using the Court Sorcerer ' s staff damage wise . Also , despite its duel scaling , it does not apply Fth to dark sorceries nor Int to dark miracles . You can always swap between dedicated catalysts . However , this increases the odds that you ' ll accidently try and cast a spell with an incompatible catalyst resulting in your being stunned from a few seconds while you scratch your head . This can be very deadly in PvP . So yes . All your spells are very important when considering your catalysts . Hence why I ' ve asked you multiple times already .