That makes sense , thank you ! I ' ll definitely do that for now on . <| sep |> Seeing the bong and Lagunitas , I ' d swear this was taken in Northern California , but the Krogers brand whipped cream has me confused . <| sep |> Don ' t bother , same thing happens every ladder . Personally , I think anyone who robs a public account used to help others is fucking pathetic . <| sep |> Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics . Even if you win , you ' re still retarded . <| sep |> Suffice to say you ' re right but its more nuanced than that . The world obviously is not as linear or black and white as some of Marx ' s theories suggest , but then they are only theories of general socioeconomic trends , not religious scripture . Oh , I have met Marxists in real life its the whole H i s t o r y SociologyEconomyPolitical Science sections of academy which treat it literally as gospel , and get shocked and often angry when I refuted it with arguments similar to this lack of linearity and lack of description of Marxist theory . Subjectively no . Objectively this is a complete nonissue and I ' ve no idea why you ' re so focused on it . Because this is the essence of Marxism . There is the thin layer of rationality and materialism , sure , but the way the guys keep defending easily refutable stuff as gospel makes it no different than religion . No . By Lenin as he was setting the whole thing up . It was never a Socialist system . Quoting from like the 6 th line of the text published 1921 I linked . And what Lenin is ? Some kind of rightwing liberal like some other guy suggested last week ? He was building an oppressive nightmare , was aware of it , and called it state capitalism to save face for his ideology . Ownership by the state is not the same as ownership by the workers , as Lenin goes to great lengths to explain in the same text . And ownership by the state is very different than private ownership , but all Marxist ignore this and keep calling State Capitalism , even without having the features normally associated with Capitalism . But regardless , Venezuela tried MoP ownership to almost all industries except oil related business which the government kept for itself . Of course , one industry being controlled by the government already invalidates everything , and make this retarded State Capitalism .