I ' m also torn between these too . Hope someone will reply with some input . <| sep |> I figured the same ! But I had to start another character . Lost my level 23 punchcat , it would let me play for about 4 minutes regardless if I had the mods enabled or not . Tried to move the load order around and all . <| sep |> Thanks ! Will check if I have any subscription through the uni . Thx for that idea ! <| sep |> I didn ' t see your deposit <| sep |> Both of you are right . That ' s how I got mine , but it took me months to finally have the stars align in the right positioning to give me the correct order to discord . <| sep |> So these don ' t exist in the state of Iowa then <| sep |> Washington used SelfDestruct ! It wasn ' t very effective .