Oh please , they can ' t be that homoeroclick . But where are the fuckoff huge Yaoi Hands ? <| sep |> That and your alarm being connected to the internet on an IOT device <| sep |> Exactly . Im probably going for the jul 2 as a result <| sep |> I was a call center employee before I was an engineer or a manager as well . I made minimum wage , as do the vast majority of call center employees . Your experience does not invalidate the reality of the industry . You also don ' t know what the word prejudice means . This is what you said Call center employees make minimum wage . Well , that ' s not true , and that ' s prejudice . you ' re assuming something about call center workers . c e n t e r c u s t o m e r s e r v i c e r epresentativesalarySRCHKO 0 , 43 . htm says they make much above min wage . it ' s OK to be wrong ! You ' re joking right ? If you have no other choice and need to pay your bills , have food and shelter . yes , this is life . You need things to live and you have to provide a service to other people for them to give you things , get charity , or you need to provide for yourself . There ' s no other way around it . That work you do provide for other people should be at a wage that both parties agree to . Again , the solution to poverty , perpetual poverty , etc . is most likely negative income tax this would help people go to college , trade schools , start a business , whatever . There ' s no reason an employer should be responsible for providing a living wage which doesn ' t mean anything to anyone . An employer provides a goodserver to some client , and you help that employer provide that goodservice while still making the employer a profit . There is a definite limit to what the employer can pay you , and a definite limit of the profit you can provide the employer . The luxury of not being able to shop for wages has nothing to do with employers but your own personal responsibility . Sure , maybe the gov ' t should have a broad safety net like basic income for people that makes sense , gov ' t intervening to provide wage increases doesn ' t make sense . Those statistics do not include anyone making barely over minimum wage . Most companies offer just a few cents over minimum wage to be kept out of unfavorable statistics . Source ? Why would a company benefit from that . ? What ' s wrong with paying min wage ? Who works for min wage ? How many people work for min wage ? How many people work close to min wage ? What does it matter what they make ? That situation does not exist in reality , it ' s a fantasy . unskilled mom reenters work forceSo , as an engineering manager , you believe there are no variables between people living situation , # of dependents , singlepartnered so you could pay them all one rate and everyone has a livable wage ? Back to one of my questions how do you determine how much to pay an engineer ? Do you look at their living situation , # of kids , etc . or do you look at their skills ! ? Obviously you have to live within your means , and if you want more means you have to learn more skills . There ' s nothing exploitative about this ! Me you assume people can ' t think for themselves You No , that ' s reality . That . is extremely bigoted . This is really your viewpoint ? People are stupid and can ' t think for themselves , so they need you to think for them ! ? Your anecdotes mean absolutely nothing to the tens of millions of Americans who can barely afford food and rent while working full time . Then maybe they should move or change their circumstances ? Why are we starting in the middle of the story ? How did they end up barely able to afford food or rent ? Did they have a teen pregnancy ? Did they drop out of school ? Do they live in an expensive area and refuse to move ? A negative income tax has to be funded from somewhere . Money doesn ' t just magically appear in the federal government ' s coffers . welcome to why higher minimum wage is stupid ? ! Yeah , the money is already there though , via other entitlements which soak up almost 60 % of fed budget . For another , I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the economy works . Employers would benefit from an increased minimum wage just as much as employees . You assume you know economics like you assume you know what ' s best for people . It ' s these racist , bigoted , old ideas that are sinking our ship . People can think for themselves . Give them the means to prosper and get out of their way ! Fundamentally , how do you think minimum wage benefits employers OR employees ? Which employers ? Big or small ? Who can absorb a cost better ? Given a scenario where a business has $ 100 mo for labor and 5 employees at $ 20 mo , then the min wage is raised to $ 25 mo . What happens to this scenario ? Now 4 people get a 25 % raise to $ 25 mo and 1 person gets a 100 % raise to $ 0 mo . The 4 remaining workers have to work harder to make up for the lost productivity . Lowincome households do not horde money , they spend it as rapidly as they earn it . This increases income for businesses on the bottom line . Incredibly naive ! So why not increase minimum wage to $ 50 hr ? Me Obviously one rate for teenage me was great , but if I had two babies then that same rate would be poverty . You Now that is a factor of personal responsibility . but living in an expensive city isn ' t ? Buying things you can ' t afford isn ' t ? How is having a kid any different ?