Well maybe you should put the fucking value on it like every other country . Dime ? Nickel ? Quarter ? What is this crap . Put the value in cents you lunatics . <| sep |> Well I wasn ' t really planning on turning it into a wand measuring contest lol . Just pointing out the benefits of Abjuration , since no one else was mentioning play experience with one . It can keep up , I assure you . I ' m ok pitting a higher level Abjurer against a sorcerer with Subtle spell any day . The advantage on saves is fantastic , but beyond that you effectively double your hit points in a pure Mage duel because any spell that causes damage is halved . Not mention Contingemcy shenanigans and such . Plus , even though purely RAW , my group and I kind of disagree with the whole subtle counterspell abuse . The first time ? Oh yeah , that would be pretty shocking and that Sorcerer totally gets no opposition in their counterspell . Maybe even the second time . Maybe . But we find it terribly hard to believe that a Wizard that is staring directly at a sorcerer that he is engaged in battle with and wouldn ' t be able to piece together that there is clearly some counter spelling going on from that direction and be able to counter the counterspells just like any other Mage duel . So I ' m the games I play , we take that into account and it ' s an advantage at first , but not an indefinite one because we just couldn ' t really make sense of it being a continuous thing , especially in the context where the enemy Mage is focusing on the sorcerer . Even then , it ' s only an advantage some of the time . Countering uses up a reaction so then the Wizard can just use his very strong counters against your spells you cast on your turn . You ' re just locking each other out at that point . To me , it would be fun to see actually play out with someone adjudicating correctly .