I don ' t see any reason why only the absence of a god would preclude objective natural rights . If you had a system like karma , the rights would even be enforced . I think you ' d need to discard any universal guiding force to necessarily preclude objective natural rights . But yeah , rights come from the state . Justification ? Um . power derives from the masses and the masses want rights ? Everyone just kinda decided that it would be useful to act like rights were a thing that should be protected . In general I tend to agree . yeah . <| sep |> Voat with your feet . <| sep |> I wasn ' t really going for practicality , anyone can make a ladder . I just wanted to experiment with how you could use different shaped hitboxes to make something interesting .