The only people I see shopping in Fareham are chavy teenagers and old people . <| sep |> The options you refer to is bring bare CAD w drake and allies . Now that Traitor ' s hate is out , that won ' t even be the thing because there ' s a drake formation . CSM is bad because every unit outside of HQ sucks . CSM are trash . Cultists are actually expensive in the face of GSC release , even expensive compared to Boys . Termis suck in every book , but we get the benefit of combi weapons for mildly potent suicide units . However , we lost all usable means of safe deep strike . Possessed are awful . Chosen are expensive . Raptors suck . Warp talons are terrible . Mutilators are trash . Obliterators are way too expensive , and bad imo . Maulerfiends are okay , but should be a fast choice not heavy . Effectively , all CSM will be at LVO unless Traitor legions is kick ass is the CabalDrake formations in Daemons and KDK . Orks still have rules that mean they don ' t always run , they can take many characters that do a lot for force multiplication . Their walkers are pretty cost effective unless that was 6 th ? and they suck in 7 th ? , and huge masses of bodies is still a strong tactic against many armies that can ' t deal the damage fast enough .