It ' s happening in our fucking colleges across America . <| sep |> As son of God Jesus Christ said when being crucified by people who hated Him without good reason Forgive them Father , for they don ' t know what they do . May our Father in Heaven forgive your wrong actions and thoughts and give you His love , peace and goodness , for salvation of your soul . When you come to your senses by God ' s help , better go to the church and ask the pastor for help and guidancewith your problems . <| sep |> Then we can impulse buy that one too ! <| sep |> Bit premature . We don ' t even know what the UK position is yet . <| sep |> or Satella <| sep |> Just because it can , doesn ' t mean it should . <| sep |> The difference is that our view is consigning the meaning to Allh , which means we acceptaffirm the words , but we realize that we can ' t know the meaning , so we don ' t interpret them . There is no asking ' how ' he made a mistake in his reply , we don ' t do tafwd of the how , we say there is no how , just like Mlik said asking about it is bid ' ah aka , don ' t ask how , just accept . Because we don ' t know the exact meaning of the verse because we don ' t even interpret the words , we accept them as they are the word of Allh . Khalas . The famous quote of Imm Shfi ' I believe in what Allh revealed according to the meaning that Allh willed , and in what the Messenger of Allh conveyed according to the meaning that the Messenger of Allh willed . And ibn Qudmah al Maqdis in Lum ' atil I ' tiqd What is difficult from those ayat of Sifat affirmation of it ' s wording is necessary , and to leave delving into it ' s meaning , and we leave it ' s knowledge to the one who Spoke it Allh ta ' l , we place it ' s responsibiltiy on the one who transmitted it , following the path of those grounded in knowledge , about whom Allh ta ' l praised in His Clear Book by His statement , and Those firmly grounded in knowledge say we believe in it , all of it is from our Lord . And there are many such quotes from the scholars , the majority of which have said the meaning is known to Allh , and we accept it . What some of our brothers do , and honestly it ' s not that big of a deal , but they keep arguing about it for no reason , is saying no we take the literal apparent meaning , but the ' howness ' only Allh knows . The problem with this approach is that you just said the howness is only known to Allh ' azza wa jal , and yet you say we take the literal apparent meaning , you ' ve already interpreted and put a kayfyyah on it by saying how . If I were to say we take the metaphorical meaning that would be inserting a howness . Likewise , saying ' we take the literal meaning ' is also putting a howness on it . Of course Tafwd is not made of all attributes of Allh , as different ift are categorised differently . He made a mistake here , we don ' t consign the meaning of all his attributes . For example , when Allh says he is All hearing and all seeing , the meaning is quite clear , but when he says he made istaw over the throne , or his yad was over ours , then the meaning is not as clear so only on the latter do we do Tafwd Example Allh has a yad . We affirm this , we accept it . What it means ? We don ' t ask . Just accept . Some of our brothers here say , no we take the literal meaning , but how ? Only Allh knows . If only Allh knows how , why did you just say you took the literal meaning . Isn ' t that applying a how ? This is why they insist on Allh being literally above the heavens sitting on his Throne bi dhtihi and some amongst the extremists of them went on to say Allh has molar teeth because of the adth where in it is said Our Lord laughs and other strange things , because of their unnecessary delving into its interpretations . We say , we accept it , and we don ' t interpret it , and this is the way of Salaf and the Ulem . The way of ibn ajr and Nawaw , both whom studied the lives of the Salaf so much so they wrote volumes of commentary on books of adth like Bukhr and Muslim . Personally I feel our brother here makes a mistake as he insists on English translations and quoting sometimes weak and fabricated narrations . And we ask Allh to forgive them . But unfortunately he likes to think the Ash ' irah are deviated and that they are outside of Ahlus Sunnah lol . We seek refuge from the tongues of such people , who only seek to attack the scholars and the claim deviancy upon people . When it was shown the madhhib agree on Ish ending at Fajr , he incessantly kept quoting the onetwo scholars he follows , and insists they are right . When it ' s shown the majority of scholars do accept a thing , he quotes his sectarian websites and says there is only one way . What is this useless need for bickering and arguing , declaring people deviant , and insisting on only one way , when you are almost an infant when it comes to knowledge ? You can ' t read Arabic , you haven ' t studied the religion formally , but always out to ' refute ' people . Is this the character of a Muslim ?