Speaking of writing posts during DCs , it seems that I had something of a luck anomaly yesterday I did a cland for over 2 hours , getting 9 crings but no ST or CC . Damn . I then went to a crystal immediately after and got a csword and a cwand in the same bag <| sep |> Dual Dremora lords can handle most things in the game , but a place with several high level casters will kill them . If you truly want to use conjuration to it ' s maximum you will need to get some good Dead Thralls . You can smith and enchant their weapons and armor to make them almost as strong as you are your perks will still be superior . Note that they will only be able to wear armor that they have in their spawn list so the best thing to do is summon them , load a new area , and kill them a dozen times to get a full set of their armor . Also most thralls will use summon staves , so if you make some in the Atronach forge you can get 2 thralls , a follower , and 3 summons .