So in your game a murderous , torturing paladin who is supposed to serve Pelor is fine ? Even if the DM warns them that what they are doing goes against their oath ? You ' re saying the DM should do nothing and let them continue ? Nice strawman . If you read my posts I specifically mention that the DM should treat it like any other murderous character PLUS a visit by any envoy the god ~~ seems ~~ edit sees to be fitting . That ' s quite the opposite from do nothing and let them continueSo your assumption is wrong , too . Maybe you need another example to understand the absurdity of the DMimposed FallWhat if a cleric turns atheist ? He ' ll lose all his powers , of course . But you would never decide as a DM for a player that he is not theist enough and make the decision to become an atheist for him . THAT is the euqally strange example to a DM deciding when a Paladin falls . The Fall is just somehow acceptable for historical reasons , because it was so badass and cool when it happened and everyone heard some stories about it . Which is fine , really . But never if the DM decides it .