Well at least we still have basketball <| sep |> You described women being forced into becoming living incubators for an embryo they want nothing to do with as taking responsibility , and you ' re criticizing my phrasing ? Cool . I believe that fathers have a duty to support the mothers of their children as good as they can . It always takes two people to have sex , See , the problem is , that ' s completely meaningless for cisgender men . What you think they should do , they will never be forced to child support ' s a pain in the ass to get , speaking as the child of a man who paid his maybe twice , and even if they were , paying a bit of money is absolutely nothing compared to what the woman goes through , and never will be . So when you say that people should be forced because that ' s what this is about , ultimately what separates pro and antichoice is legality , not preference to take responsibility for having sex , the ultimate consequence of what you ' re saying is a woman going through what amounts to mental and physical torture and a guy just waltzing away , all ending in a child no one wants . And that is why this entire discussion comes down to oldfashioned misogyny .