Dat spot gameThese refs are a treat <| sep |> No , they ' re not . If they ' re effectively the same thing , then why was there a need to rename and break interoperability with SSL ? Sorry you are technically correct on this one and it ' s my fault for how I ' ve worded it . What I meant was that SSLv 3 is effectively broken and TLS 1 . 0 is effectively broken . When you say SSL is not secure but TLS is , you ' re incorrect . That ' s all I meant by that . At this point , SSL and TLS are the same thing , it was just a name change and like it or not , most people use SSL to mean TLS . <| sep |> It ' s not a bo 3 ? <| sep |> now to sign steven pearce . and we will have cornered the market on utility players who slug better than 95 % of everyday players while getting paid pennies on the dollar