Didn ' t take into account the Japan date for BW , it was 2011 everywhere else . I have a poster for release dates above my desk and thats what i was pulling numbers from . <| sep |> Yes . Animals do many things that are not very nice . That ' s because they have no concept of right or wrong . We should not do things just because other animals do things . The natural order tends to be unjust and immoral . Killing , raping , stealing , and enslaving all used to be part of this natural order before civilization banished them . All are created equal . All should be given a chance to go as far as their abilities and effort will take them . <| sep |> I don ' t think I would call Vauban ' s rework great , mediocre or just forgettable seems like the better term to use . The rework did not ruin the frame but what did it really do in the end , it added Mine layer a clunky ability full of useless or redundant effects . Ignoring trying to throw these guys out quickly are any of the nades really doing much for Vauban ? Bounce is fun but he already had that Trip Line is redundant or worse in almost all scenarios to a Bastille or Vortex Rad Mine the only benefit Rad Mine has over Bastille or Vortex is it can sit there waiting for ~ 5 minutes before being tripped but just like Trip Line you have better tools for most any job Shred This had potential , it is doing something other than cc the problem is to get this to an effect rip strength it dumps your other tools out the window pretty hard and a clunky armor rip falls to the wayside of just running 4 xCP when you really care about armor . To sum up here they could roll back that whole rework tomorrow and I know I would not notice or even care .