agreed , the Google groups UI is awful and I assume is just in maintenance mode . <| sep |> The Camera is only as good as your understanding of manual dslr settings . I think we can mostly all agree that auto mode is mediocre to poor compared to some other cameras . But the v 20 shines through when you know how to use manual settings well . If you just randomly move things up and down without knowing why then hope what you see in the viewfinder will translate to a perfect image , I think we will all be disappointed . I was going to wait on the v 20 but when I discovered I could upgrade with only 40 bucks down I got mine . Auto mode camera is nothing great . Manual is spectacular . <| sep |> yeah i have found another supplier , but they wont give me my refund , so i cant just spend out another 500 before getting my refund . the finance department are just not getting back to me . i had mike from the customer services deparment tell me that i would have my refund today . well today there time has been and gone . its pathetic really . imagine walking in to a shop and asking for a refund and having to wait 12 hours and counting .