You ' re the one saying it about everything though <| sep |> Slimchiro 400 lock <| sep |> yup ! Tried for alolan grimer in the morning , but i failed haha . Going for minior now ! <| sep |> The argument that animals cannot discern the beautiful or good seems insubstantial to me . Animals have emotion , a more rudimentary form but it is there . They can feel pain , fear , happiness , these things are the beautiful and good . Saying that a dog can ' t , say , enjoy Mozart does not qualify a dog ' s value even by your own standard . To hunt and kill to survive is a different thing entirely compared to keeping animals in practical purgatory . We kill for comfort or convenience rather than survival . I agree that nothing moral or immoral goes on in the natural world , stopping predation kills the predators and leads to overpopulation . Killing off the pig or the cow is not the only negative in my view , it ' s the quality of life they experience up to that point .