I upgraded I ' m on my laptop also looking at climate control units for cars . <| sep |> Sl 105 interested in Jolly Coop . Not always available but if u require assistance add me , Vampragon on steam ! <| sep |> I ' ve been in this house for 21 years and never needed a plunger in either bathroom . <| sep |> Just to add onto thisWhen playing the silentstrokes you can easily speak to other people in the same room if you are not bashing them like crazy . But you still have the vibrations transferred through the floorwalls . While this might be fine during the day your downstair neighbours will probably kill you when you play at night . I sadly don ' t have the L 80 cymbals and have to make do with shirts put over regular cymbals . It definitely takes away from the whole experience not hearing the actual sounds I am used to from my actual kit . But it is very great for practicing . Since you aren ' t getting the actual sound of the drums anyway , you can just grab a very cheap beginner kit used and put these headscymbals on . The cymbals alone are around 300 bucks and I wasn ' t able to find them used in my area . So this will probably not be cheaper than an electric kit if you factor in all the hardwarestands . I still like this muffled kit better than an electric one because like the first guy said , you can easily put regular headscymbals on it and have gigs with it . The downside is that recording is not an option and the whole rockband thing won ' t be possible . But playing to music is as easy as hitting play on your stereo . Just make sure to sum up all the costs for d r u m s c y m b alsheadspedalthronestands to make sure you stay in your budget and not end up with half a kit .