two spirestowers down appear on the actual map <| sep |> As a Canadian I wish we would cut our ties to the stupid monarchy already . But besides that yay CanadaAlthough this ' not having to file taxes ' thing europe has sounds like a great idea <| sep |> Excuse me sir , your polygons are showing . <| sep |> But I never argued against the stickiness on the edges of the spectrum . edit I am really not trying to be confrontational here . I don ' t have an agenda to push . I just read the numbers you linked and tried to clear some assumptions that I and likely other people have had after listening to the debate or just general opionions . you ' re still completely ignoring the lack of mobility in lowerupper classes as well . I ' m not linking you some pastebin claiming that a guy who receives small loan of million dollars has 20 % chance to stay in top quintile , as does some poor kid from a ghetto . Moving from middle class to just barely a quintile lower or higher is oftentimes what is going on with the mobility here , but you ' re making it seem like people are insanely fluid in the directions they move with their incomeBut I am not . I ' m just saying what I think of the numbers . There are only 5 quintiles . If we take middle class and ignore second and fourth one , they still have 32 % chance of either falling to the very bottom or rising to the top . I am not making it sound like insanely fluid . I just think that given the actual reality of how money works it ' s insanely easier to make money when you have money , it ' s insanely harder to make money when you ' re dirt poor , these numbers are even surprisingly good , in my opinion . I don ' t think it ' s physically possible to achieve a situation where you have a equal chance to end up anywhere . My only argument was that the impression I got from your argument during the debate is that majority of people will not move . At this point we ' re just arguing our feelings about the numbers , anybody can read them and judge if they think you ' re as in US extremely far from the ' utopia ' of the chances being 2020202020 or not . my original statement of poor people tend to remain poor and rich people tend to remain rich is absolutely undeniable . I agree with that , obviously , for the reasons mentioned above need money to make money . I just don ' t think the situation is as dire as most people make it out to be .