As an avid runescape player , touch <| sep |> istanbul not constantinopleWcze 7 EGorOk you are now permanently infected . It ' s impossible to unremember this song . sorry <| sep |> Hey , it should work with her invention ability , though ! Don ' t tell anyone , it ' s our little secret <| sep |> Probably my country ' s independence . Before that , we were but a wee young colony of the British . And today , I get to watch as my neighbours to the south celebrate thanksgiving on the wrong day yet again . <| sep |> Huh , was worried that the temperature was off by 20 %. Oh no ! <| sep |> You sound like a nice person . <| sep |> Episode 4 of a Trigger show # kukuku <| sep |> You say they don ' t need to pretend , but then why do they ? Vegan cheese isn ' t cheese . Tofurkey isn ' t turkey , isn ' t even a vague resemblance of turkey . Chikken isn ' t chicken . These actually aren ' t the foods that people are used to , needless suffering or not and I would argue that lactoovo seems free of suffering , but that seems insufficient for vegans . Food shapes are burger , cutlet and so forth . I ' m not arguing that a veggie burger isn ' t honest . I ' m saying that vegan nonvegan item is fundamentally dishonest . Just what shape does chikken describe ? My argument remains that much if vegan food is unpalatable despite occasion to make yummy qualifying food . And what the hell is needless suffering ? It ' s long been a standard precept that food animals should not suffer . Humanely raised and all that . Are you suggesting that you would not object to meat if the animal did not suffer or if the suffering was somehow needful ? What is needful suffering ? Do please elucidate .