Capitalists acquire capital through saving , like I ' ve mentioned many times by now , by consuming less than they produce in terms of prices . By doing so they by definition provide value for society , and what they do with the capital they have accrued is entirely up to them . If they continue to accumulate capital , they continue providing value to society if they lose it , it means they couldn ' t find a way to make any further such provision , and the market process consequently reallocates the capital to other areas . You know , repeating the same retarded bullshit over and over doesn ' t make it true . You seem to have an interesting definition of produce , where the people actually producing something aren ' t the producers . Not surprised that you are not sure about this , since you clearly haven ' t made any attempt to understand actual economics at any point . ' Muh economics . Also , all economics that happen to not support my autism are a socialist conspiracy . ' Profit isn ' t exploitative at all , operating at a profit means you are creating enough voluntary transactions , which are winwin by definition , for both you being able to accumulate more capital , and for improving society to the extent that they are getting the goods and services provided . Nope . Taking advantage of people who need to work to survive and paying them much less than they produce is exploitation . The opposite of profit is lossToo deep . By characterizing feudalism as freemarket and capitalist , you betray the fact that you have no idea what free markets are capitalism is . You ' ve yet to state what your magical version of the free market is , but by all means . Both free markets the ability to voluntarily transact property and capitalism the ability to accumulate property by consuming less than you produce are dependent upon clearly defining what property is , which was not even remotely the case in feudal society . You couldn ' t think of a more vague and meaningless bit of rhetoric , could you ? and that the alternatives , as dictated by nature , was starvation . ' The alternative to capitalist exploitation is starvation . If you dare question the huge profits Capitalists rake in through the exploitation of the proletariat , you will starve . ' Nice one . First of all , you are overlooking one of the fundamental driving forces of any free market , which is charity . Ahahahahah ! ! US had a free market healthcare system , was both that good healthcare was extremely cheap , and that even those few who could not afford this great and cheap healthcare , got access via charities and other voluntary clinics . Wait , so a free market healthcare system did exist ? You ' re not going to claim that it didn ' t ? Just confirm this and I will take you on a little history ride . The poor in the US always had terrible healthcare . Secondly , not only does the exact same thing apply to education , The poor always had shitty education in the US ? Pretty true . but we ' re actually seeing one of the things I ' ve predicted for a long time popping up all over Asia right now , which are lowcost private schools . Oh yeah ? What else is popping ? Besides , public education and public healthcare have shown to be complete failures , just as one would expect , as evidenced by the US and other Western countries where those sectors of the economy have been highly socialized including my native country of Norway . Nope . Public education and public healthcare have been a great benefit to humanity , though the quality is being actively eroded by retards like ancaps and others . Completely misrepresenting my position yet again . I ' m an anarchistYou can ' t be an anarchist and a capitalist . Pick one . Private hierarchies , masters , and power structures based on property are no better actually worse than public hierarchies and power structures . I don ' t advocate for the existence of political power at all . Political power and politics always exist , what you advocate for is irrelevant in this regard . What I ' m advocating for is the realization that clearly defined property rights are beneficial to everyone , and essential to human progress , and that we therefore should do our best to work together in defining them . Well they can be defined in many different ways . Your definition happens to be one most suited for the exploitation of people . Property , after all , is a mental construct , but it ' s essential to civilized life and the flourishing of society , which is all I ' m trying to get people to see . No , its not essential at all . Words have meanings , and the meaning of capitalism has nothing to do with exploitation . Yes it does . I could repeat again and again that socialism is an evil system , detrimental to all human virtue which I in fact believe it to be , but doing so would be pointless instead , I try , via argumentation , to show why I believe it to be so . Repeating baseless rhetoric is not argumentation bud . Assertions without argumentation is merely propaganda . Oh look , now you ' re getting it !