Can you explain what it means for the rest of us ? So maybe we don ' t make the same mistakes as the author ? <| sep |> As a bald man I must say that this is actually true <| sep |> n o t g o i n g a w a y a l t r i g h t l e a d e r o n v o i c eintrumpadministrationAnd I think a really reasonable and I think palatable policy proposal would be for Donald Trump to say , look we ' ve had immigration in the past . It ' s brought some fragmentation . It ' s brought division . But we need to become a people again . And for us to do that , we ' re going to need to take a break from mass immigration . And we ' re going to need to preference people who are going to fit in , who are more like us . That is European immigration . MCEVERS Swastikas . SPENCER A swastika is an ancient symbol . I don ' t like , you know , if you ' re asking me , do I have a problem with people expressing themselves and maybe , you know . MCEVERS With a swastika . SPENCER People want to express themselves . They can do whatever they want . MCEVERS So that ' s an OK wearing white robes or hoods like the KKK . SPENCER Look . I ' m you ' re not going to get me to condemn any of this because you haven ' t said anything that is really fundamentally illegal or immoral . I might not agree with some people . I might not like this . I might like that , not like that . But the fact is these are people expressing themselves . I ' m not going to condemn any of that . MCEVERS Do you agree with those expressions ? SPENCER I agree with people who want to get in touch with their identity as a European . That can take a number of different forms . I don ' t support any kind of physical threats or anything like that . I think that does cross the line . But in terms of people coming to terms with who they are , I don ' t oppose it . And I actually would respect deeply respect the right of nonwhite people to try to understand themselves and to express themselves as they see fit . MCEVERS What about Republicans in particular ? SPENCER Not a fan . MCEVERS Right . SPENCER Well , I like their voters . Like , the voters are great . I the fact that they just chose Donald Trump that is great . I love them . In terms of Republican operatives , in terms of the conservative movement not a fan . MCEVERS I guess I ' m thinking of just Republicans in general like , people maybe who did who also voted for Donald Trump but who will say , you know , that your views are racist and are extreme and don ' t have a place in this country . How do you deal with them ? SPENCER If I had told you in 1985 that we should have gay marriage in this country , you probably would have laughed at me . And I think most people would have . Or at least at the very least , you would have been a bit confused , and you would have told me , oh that ' s ridiculous . The fact is , opinions do change . People ' s consciousness does change . Paradigms are meant to be broken . That ' s what the altright is doing . MCEVERS That was Richard Spencer , the leader of the socalled altright , a white nationalist movement that supported Donald Trump . Spencer says he is not in contact with the Trump transition team . We asked the Trump team to comment about links between Chief Strategist Steve Bannon and the altright , but we did not hear back . Copyright 2016 NPR . All rights reserved . Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www . npr . org for further information . NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by Verb 8 tm , Inc . , an NPR contractor , and produced using a proprietary transcription process developed with NPR . This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future . Accuracy and availability may vary . The authoritative record of NPR ' s programming is the audio record .