I wouldn ' t say someone preached me into understanding , but various authors have certainly had an impact on that search , as well as the example set by others . You ' ve had an impact on me , probably less by active persuasion as by you being you . My point is probably more in line with what you wrote here than in your first comment it ' s about empowering them as individuals . You can ' t just empower someone who doesn ' t want that empowerment in the first place . At the same time , I don ' t think you can persuade them of its benefit without them wanting it , either . Living as an example is likely the best persuasion . <| sep |> How is this DIY ? <| sep |> The problem isn ' t just hacking . There has been a history of voter suppression for decades , which includes wrongfully putting voters down as felons . See here for more i n f o r m a t i o n g o p sstealthwaragainstvotersw 435890 . Again . What is wrong with asking for a recount and seeing if there are abnormalities ? You seem to think focusing on electronic voting machines is more important . That ' s fine . But we can do both . And getting people involved in a movement for a recount can be used to build on to challenge electronic voting machines . You said supporting Jill was a waste of money . I just gave reasons why I support the green party . You seem so cynical that supporting anything is pointless . I disagree . I will ally with any group which supports my issues .