One of my friends currently # 12 on the GM leaderboards was a challenger league player and he started D 3 his first season and would literally carry every game in every stat category while having no clue what he was doing . As an exchallenger player though it didn ' t take him long to figure it out and climb to literally the top of the ladder . If someone ' s mechanics are THAT good that they can get to d 3 with the worst talents and no idea how to play then obviously they deserve to be there . If you see someone like that try to play to his advantages . engage in a lot of team fights , let him get picks that give your team the advantage . If he ' s the same rank as you but he is playing with bad talentshero picksno idea how to play the map then mechanically speaking he must be A LOT better than everyone else in the game . turn his weakness into your teams strength . I say this because as an average GM player I can tell you that I HATE placing in d 3 every season . I ' ve gotten 2 accounts to GM in both seasons so 4 grinds total and I 100 % fully believe that from d 3 to D 1 the games are much harder than bottom of master to top 100 GM . It takes me anywhere from 100150 games to climb out of diamond solo q and then maybe 3050 games to go from 250 pts master to 3 k . I hate playing in diamond . Every game is a toss of the dice . Most players have no idea how to draft or how to play certain maps or even how to counterpunish the enemy draft picks . Every time I go through diamond my mind is blown over and over again . Please don ' t make me start any lower than d 3 .