Guys posting dick pics seem to get left out in he comment department . Liked your post would like to lick your post . <| sep |> Haha sure thing pal . Good on ya . <| sep |> Here is what I think , having been an elder for a fair while before I woke up . It does not really matter what label you are given , and to all intents and purposes DA and DF are very similar with perhaps DF having a more sinful connotation and DA having an apostate connotation . But all these nuances are in the mind of a seriously deluded cult member . Why should you try to make life easy for them by sugar coating the truth ? Did the cult members including your family consider your feelings when you were DFd or did they apply the cult rules ? My advice is to tell it like it is . Tell your father that you do not agree with the way they treat ones who disagree with the man made teachings of the cult leaders , who self appointed themselves . Tell him that you do not agree with the sheltering of paedophiles or the huge sums of money that Watchtower is paying out in sex abuse settlements , plus whatever other things upset you especially . Be your own man . Call it like it is . Make a stand and show them that you do not play by their twisted rules , you have your own ethics and standards . In my opinion this should gain you the respect of any thinking parent . It probably won ' t do so immediately , but in time maybe your father will wake up . Maybe he will think about some of the hard truths that you tell him . At least you will know that you spoke truth . Your truth , not the wishy washy , please everybody type that the JW cult espouses . Wish you well in your personal growth . It does happen but only when you stand up for what you believe , who you are and where you want to go .