But that isn ' t money just disappearing . That ' s like saying , I had $ 20 but then it just disappeared when I paid my barber for a haircut . <| sep |> ok here ' s how you remember it kk ? Doctor ' 69 ' 8 and its a possibility I would consider most heavily <| sep |> Great post ! One counter to add that I find really swings Payload maps especially Counter Earthshatter . If you think Rein has it , be sure to stay out of range of it , but potentially be a little closer to your team than usual , ready to press Q and hover over your stunned team . Zen should almost always be backline . So if you want to counter Earthshatter , you MAY need to move a tad closer . This works on any map of course , but I find there ' s a trick to the positioning on Payload attack , where it is very effective to counter Rein ' s uttOn PL attack , Zen ' s have a tendency to drift forward closer to the action , and to the cart to use it as cover . If your DPS are staying ahead of the cart , this positions you perfectly , but if your team is deathballing everyone on cart behind a friendly rein you might be too close to the enemy rein stun , so you ' d need to move back slightly if you wanted to counter it . Rein ult is really powerful on Payload maps and chokes , because people move in a more linear fashion and cluster up a bit more . So this tip for me swings entire payload maps , and swings engagements that occur in chokes like HanamuraEichenwalde , etc .