do you need hard proof of them jackin it or can i just say that everyone is jackin it . <| sep |> I think the outrage over the combat width is that it seems like an arbitray change based on an obssessive need to shake things up its not historically accurate or realistic . EU 4 has never been good at showing small nation resistance ei Albania rarely lasts into 1445 even though they remained fairly independent and rebellious for decades , even the new peasant republic just gets swallowed when AI controlled . Small nations can only survive by quick alliances followed by fast blobbing , even though historically terrain advantages played major roles . Fighting in the mountains used to be a major tactical advantage that allowed small armies to hold off large armies for extended periods of time , just like irl . Now thats gone , and its as unrealistic ad can be . I mean how does that even work ? How do you fit 27 thousand men in a line with horses and artillery in a mountain range ? Combat width penalties are real , mountainous regions dont have the space to fit massive battle formations , they never did , hence why it was so difficult for the Ottomans to invade Austria . Even today there are difficulties for armies to attack into mountains . This for me is enough to ignore how it plays out , it doesnt even if its a brilliant move because i refuse to believe that a mountain range can hold an entire fucking battle formation , nevermind the cliffs , ravines and steepe climbs , appearently men could float back then . See the battle of Thermopoly definetly misspelled that or any other battle in the time of formations for that matter combat width penaltues from terrain real , The claim for why this change was so brilliant was that it was redundant to apply a width penalty to the 2 roll penalty . Its not , i can over come a 2 penalty with any semi decent general , and if u can outnumber my enemy , I sure as hell arent going to ooose because of 2 . Rolls loose importance as the size difference increases in armies with comparable tech . TlDr it doesnt matter how it plays out , its not realistic for full battle formations to fit in a mountain range , they just changed it to be edgy