without the bonus gold nor using the HSs on three extra ancientsDo I understand correctly ? You ' re going active without juggbhaalfrag ? I didn ' t say idle DPS is better than active , I was saying that if you can ' t be online , if idle still instakills then you don ' t go active if you can ' t really be active . Because after 30 k combo or so , your jugg won ' t really increase your DPSclick dmg by much anymore hence the diminishing returns , so you will stop much faster than if you would of left the AC to level up hero and still idle away much further as the x 4 boost is better than the boost jug combo gives . If you ' re online during the active state , then it ' s another matter , cause you can activate skills also , the gold ones when you ' re starting to gain it again , use SC , use LSreload , use energized LS , and if you ' re far in the game , you can reuse them if they ' re having low CD or not at all . That ' s what I was saying . Active is better than idle if you ' re indeed activeonlinepaying attention .