He never had a chance . <| sep |> I got the ISC as my expensive raw pair . But then I ended up getting a pair of olive moleskin chinos which happen to be the same fabric as the Engineered Garments olive moleskin Bedford I owned . I have more use for traditional chinos vs raws . I ' ll need these for the future where as once the fades develop on raw chinos I can ' t wear them as much . The stark really is a fantastic cardigan . Unique , totally iconic , heavy , awesome basketweave knit , and cool colorways . You can get them for under 200 if you keep an eye out and pounce on sales . Howlin has cool stuff but you should wait to find it really discounted . I only paid close to retail for that previously linked sweater aka the skittles sweater lol and just because it sold out everywhere and the colors are perfect . Definitely keep an eye out on ebay for inverallan specifically . You can get some cheap . But . these are not like HowlinSNS sweaters . That crewneck I linked weighs more than 5 lbs probably and folded up is like 4 pizza boxes stacked on top of each other . It ' s basically a jacket it ' s so heavy . It ' s kind of outrageous . Completely hand knit top to bottom , where as howlin and SNS are machine knit and then the pieces hand knit together .