Thanks yo . Man Tony vs Pat is fire , I got Tony D winning clearly . But nice performance by both <| sep |> I usually build my own design on a blank canvas theme like Underscores so I can have as much freedom as I need to make the site exactly how the client wants it . At it ' s most basic level , wordpress is supposed to be for nondevelopers . It bridges the gap between squarespacewix and fully blown development by providing more functionality for those who wish for something more bespoke . Wordpress powers 30 % of sites on the internet and most of them suck because of that lack of advanced intervention that an experienced developer can provide . It is lucrative if the clients just need it done properly . Normally most clients I get want simple sites but as a springboard for added complexity later . A few pages and the option to explore the CMS and understand how to use it . All of that means I will need to develop the site prior to payment . Of course , they dont get any access until payment .