Staggering r 1 ' s works well if you have a weapon that can out trade them the straight sword weaponart will drain a ton of their stamina you might need to do it a few times though before it guard breaks them or they just let you hit them . or roll but what kind of turtle build knows how to roll bleed builds work very well ESPECIALLY carthus curved sword as it has an innate effect that drains more stamina from someone blocking their attack scythes shotels have shield piercing properties or the normal weaponart shield splitter works kind of . <| sep |> AOTD bought two RGT trousers . God I love those pants . No shoes so far today , but Viberg scouts if my family ends up visiting some civil war sites with me . EDIT Vibergs in Copper Task while out at the battle of Fredericksburg site