uDroopy 1592 is the new spammer <| sep |> And when you ' re following rules 1 and 2 <| sep |> Upvote for twig and berries . <| sep |> I ' m commenting because i have a problem with it . That ' s the way it goes . <| sep |> Neglecting the role that external forces play in defining internal decisions is an easy out that does not correspond to real human brains . and elevating those external , cultural forces to the status of looming boogeymen that strive to malevolently shackle all people in their proper place is at best partisan fear mongering and at worst the kind of Victorian Era , paternalistic attitude women ' s liberation movements of the past would sneer at . I ' m not suggesting women aren ' t subject to societal value judgments that shape their decision making process . That would be absurd . I ' m suggesting women are not helpless dust adrift on those sociological winds . Women know broader society has certain unspoken expectations of them . All people know this . Some people choose to defy , some do not . Both choices are valid and the expectations themselves are not some sinister , veiled evil that the man imposes upon people . They are , to steal your quip , the product of real human societies . To respect women ' s choices TRULY respect them is to also respect their choice to be cowed by societies expectations of them . It ' s to respect that women and men may be swayed from their path in life by the opinions of their peers and guidance of societal forces . This is an entirely natural process and to imply it ' s a form of softoppression which must be fought as if it were systemic discrimination suffrage , equal pay , etc is , candidly , quite bizarre . Women in the Western world have been granted every legal and civic means required to pursue whichever path in life they choose for themselves . If they choose not to pursue the girl power paths you ' ve decided they should even on the basis of abstract social pressures you can ' t quantify then they have nonetheless made a choice . To chalk that choice up as nothing more than a woman shrinking before culture ' s cruel demand for orthodoxy is an affront to the very agency she ' s just exercised . The overwhelming number of people are conformists . This isn ' t a social ill that needs to be addressed . I mean . at the risk of becoming strawmanny , what are you actually advocating for if we follow your line of reasoning to its conclusion ? Are you suggesting that societal expectations placed upon any person for any innate trait are immoral ? Shall we dismantle the social contract ? Do away with culturally ingrained notions altogether ? I genuinely don ' t get your angle here .