I drive a ford focus and i left hand drive . To compensate i use a mailhawk grabber . I still get my route done . The trainer allowed me to pass . <| sep |> If they have these urges by no fault of their own , can you really say that they have self control ? If we have to follow self control , then shouldnt they be held to the same standard ? I understand your position a little better now but still find it condescendingspecifically where you mentioned acceptable . I cant relate what you said with people wanting to steal and kill to pedos though . There is a difference to me between a theif or murderer and pedo or molestor . Taking advantage of children who cant fight back , who dont know better , and such is by far on a wgole different level to me than any of the rest . An adult being raped or murdered usually had made decisions to work at a certain place or be somewhere at a certain time , which doesnt make it ok or any better but a child literally has no fucking choice . Is someone is being raped , they know then and there what is happening and could have done something to prevent it , maybe working out more or being better prepared , but like ive been getting at , a baby doesnt know whats wrong . It cant wait five years and tell the police and papers or enact revenge . do you understand my position any better ? How is it fair to normal people ? Edit . Im not trying to say victims are guilty of anything and always have a choice but i wanted to point out , that compared to children that its a huge difference .