Does the 5 luck per recommended tsum obtained , or just the first time you get it ? <| sep |> You know it ' s alright to have questions , that much is true . I pray God uses me to help answer them for youFor me the issue comes with the Holy Spirit . None of the early Christians seemed to believing in the trinity or understandaccept this concept . Jesus didn ' t preach it , nor did Paul and historically the earliest Christians did not have the concept of the trinity in their faith . Let ' s take a moment shall we ? The purpose of Jesus is found within Philippians 258 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus , who , although He existed in the form of God , did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped , but emptied Himself , taking the form of a bondservant , and being made in the likeness of men . Being found in appearance as a man , He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death , even death on a cross . Jesus didn ' t come to glorify Himself but to be a savior of all mankind in the form of a servant . That ' s the absolute beauty of Christ . His humility and willingness to be a servant even though it was originally beneath Him . Angels didn ' t consider it low to be seen as humans and to be servants . They were very willing to do the will of God all the time . Now you doubt that Jesus preached He was God . However Jesus never claimed to not be God as well and He was accused by the Jews of claiming to be God . Now imagine this . You ' re a servant of God and people start saying that you make yourself out to be God . What ' s your first response ? I AM NOT GOD ! Angels do this Revelation 1910 , Paul and Barnabas did so as well in Acts 141215 . Jesus however never said I am not God and you may think He said so , but look closely , let ' s see Jesus ' s response to the accusation of Him making Himself to be GodJohn 103338 We are not stoning you for any good work , they replied , but for blasphemy , because you , a mere man , claim to be God . Jesus answered them , Has it not been written in your Law , ' I said , you are gods '? If he called them gods , to whom the word of God came and the Scripture cannot be broken , do you say of Him , whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world , ' You are blaspheming , ' because I said , ' I am the Son of God '? If I do not do the works of My Father , do not believe Me but if I do them , though you do not believe Me , believe the works , so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me , and I in the Father . At first glance , Jesus is saying He is a judgegod however Jesus never applies the quoted verse to Himself but to the Jews . Read closely and pay attention to how Jesus cleverly defends His claim of God . Jesus first said Is it not written I said you are gods . He ' s referring back to Psalm 826 , in those verses human rulersjudges are called gods . Jesus then saysif he called them gods , to whom the word of God came and the Scripture cannot be broken , Those verses are extremely important as they set the authorative tone . Jesus says the law gives them their title of gods and the law came to them by the word of God and the scriptures cannot be undone or broken . Basically He ' s telling them You get your title from the Law and the Law came from God and the scriptures cannot be broken or undone Jesus then says do you say of Him , whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world , ' You are blaspheming , ' because I said , ' I am the Son of God '? There He ' s asking them why they say He ' s blaspheming if He was sanctified by the Father and sent forth by Him as well . The Jews got their authority from the Law and the Law came from God , so as Jesus got the approval of the Father and is therefore legitimate by Him as well . Calling Himself the Son of God or calling Himself God was approved by the Father just as much as their titles were approved by the Law that came from the word of God . Jesus then saysIf I do not do the works of My Father , do not believe Me but if I do them , though you do not believe Me , believe the works , so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me , and I in the Father . The works He did were signs that Jesus had the approval of the Father to be called the Son of God and not only that , but that He was in the Father as much as the Father was in Him . The Jews said Jesus was blaspheming by claiming to be God and Jesus ' s response was My title Claim of God isn ' t blasphemy , it ' s just as legitimate as yours and if you don ' t believe me , believe the works that I do that prove it I had struggled for years with those scriptures . One day the Holy Spirit told me to respond to an attack on the divinity of Christ and that it would be good for me even though I really didn ' t want to . Well I did as He told me to do and came upon the scriptures that had always stumped me . I prayed and was upset because I didn ' t have the answer and was coming up blank when reading the scriptures . I tried to read online explanations but none of it made any legitimate sense as to why Jesus answered the way He did . Then after more prayer and dispair , the Holy Spirit taught me step by step and my mind became blown . Back on track , the Jews understood this and wanted to stone Him still . Jesus didn ' t tell them No , I am not God and because He didn ' t answer as such and in fact defended His position , they wanted to seize Him . That being said , Jesus ' s words shouldn ' t be taken at just face value . Those who do take Jesus ' s words at face value won ' t find what He ' s really saying , or claiming in that case , underneath . I ' ll give you another example When Jesus said only God is Good , He then goes on to call Himself the Good teacher later on . While you may point out to me many verses that mention the holy spirit or the trinity i . e . Go forth and baptise in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit etc none of these verses actually specifically teach the concept of the trinity clearly , it ' s all subjective and open to interpretation and A LOT of these verses are not found in the earliest translations of scripture available and have been added . The word Trinity doesn ' t exist within the Bible that much is clear . It is also widely known that the formula of the trinity is never outlined anywhere in one place . However , the elements do exist . Jesus must be divine , the Holy Spirit must be divine , the Father must be divine . All three must be one and unique and that ' s clearly taught in the Bible . Jesus was one or in with the Father , the Holy Spirit came from the FatherJesus etc etc etc . Each of them serve different purposes in the New Testament and their uniqueness is definitely amplified . That ' s a HUGE problem for me , because how can I claim to be a Christian when I can not accept or believe in the concept of the trinity ? No matter how much I pray , search , seek or study I can ' t grasp the concept of the trinity . That ' s perfectly normal not to understand how it works . That ' s like a child trying to understand Calculus . My answer to you is that you ' re trying too hard to rely upon your own finite understanding to understand the infinite and complex God of the universe . John 11 deals directly with the trinity as it says Jesus existed seperately from God but was God at the same time . Keep in mind , John was sent by God to testify about Jesus and God saw it fit to say Jesus existed separately , But He is the entity He existed separately with The question remains which is Why did God chose to reveal this after all those years of everyone thinking He was one GodBeing ? I think it ' s because Jesus as God acted within His duties and nature and it wasn ' t necessary to reveal His nature and uniqueness until after He became a servant . The three were always one and never seperated in their position . Now Jesus took on a different position so it was time to inform them if who He was uniquely and for legitimate reasons that involved saving the world . I suppose a lot of that comes from the fact when I was younger seeing people in Church roll around on the floor , praying in tongues etc etc first of all that always felt alien and not of God to me , but when my pastors spoke how it was a gift for Christians who are really blessed , I prayed and prayed for the gift of tongues and this Holy Spirit and I never ever once spoke in tongues , fell on the floor or was overcame by such a force . The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given appropriately by the Holy Spirit . If you think that you didn ' t receive the gift , then maybe it ' s not your purpose to be centered around that specific gift . I can ' t see visions like some can , but I know that God will provide me what I need when I need it . You should also want gifts for the glory of God , not because everyone else has it . Maybe He hasn ' t given it to you because you ' re not spiritually ready to take it on . Please help me understand I am so confused The greatest Helper and Teacher is the Holy Spirit . No matter how much counsel and wisdom you receive , none will compare to that of God ' s own . Ask Him , don ' t stop asking Him , you ' re in need , He ' s your provider , let Him do His job .