Thanks very well written . Learnt something new . <| sep |> I don ' t know what ' s sadder , the $ 0 pledged or the $ 5 , 000 GOAL . 3249724 <| sep |> I ' d say civ IV . It ' s two iterations old now , and I still see people on here remember it fondly on a regular basis . <| sep |> yeah just stupid , blind hype <| sep |> I as well think it should have a PvE effect too . But in PvP , it ' s far from countering Thorn only it ' s great against a lot of grenades and abilities . I don ' t remember exactly , but I remember reading you can just sit in some of them and they run out before you die . Some of my friends who are hardcore about Crucible use it all the time and consider it the best artifact . <| sep |> If you don ' t mind my asking , how are they on delivery and such ?