Ironman hate him . <| sep |> You just made the list <| sep |> Sorry , while viewing the product on amazon , it somehow switched me to Amazon india which is now showing the product in INR or Indian rupees and I reused that link in my comment . <| sep |> No I fucking don ' t . <| sep |> Nova , watcha expect <| sep |> Areas such as trade , the environment , agriculture , immigration and fisheries to name but a few . You don ' t have to be an expert on every piece of legislation in these areas to know that the EU has a big influence on the decisions that British governments can make . Of course , some of what comes from Europe is good , but some of it isn ' t and the ability to change the bad stuff is a lot harder . Is that fair ? But the options are the same . You still need to negotiate with your neigbours . Britain doesn ' t exist in a vacuum . If we think Westminster out of the EU will be able to do what they want with e . g . fisheries then we ' re up for a surprise . I ' m really not sure that ' s true . As you ' ll know , elected MEPS cannot make legislation , they can only vote foragainst it . I know the European commission make laws , and they ' re chosen by our elected leaders , but I sympathise with the idea that this means they ' re too far removed . I ' ve sensed a real lack of transparency and I ' ve found examples of it a little disturbing . I ' m aware of the issues surrounding our own parliamentary system btw , but that ' s not an argument for the European one , is it ? See , I strongly disagree here . The MEPs can stop any legislation that we don ' t like . The comission is elected by the national voters , which is fairer than letting MEPs doing legislation . Why ? I am an EU national living in UK . I can participate in European elections and vote for MEPs here in the UK , however I can ' t vote in a general election as I ' m not British , hence I can ' t have influence on British commissioners creating laws . If I had , a big enough foreign community could set up the UK up for some trouble . As per the comment about Westminster you ' re right , that would be whataboutism . However , leaving the EU leaves us 100 % in Westminster ' s hands . We didn ' t even leave and we ' re facing the Snoopers C h a r t e r s n o o p e r s c h a r t e r a l l y o u e v e r w a n t edtoknowanddidntdaretoask and online censoring laws starting with porn . Again , it ' s not an argument in favour of the EU organisms , but we gotta take the situation into account . Just look at some of the EU ' s fundamental goals and what it ' s trying to achieve . Political stability ? Not really , things have been unstable in Europe for a while Greece , Hungry , Italy rise of the far right . Economic Prosperity ? Well , for some yeah but not for others . Political stability Check . Didn ' t have a war in the EU for several decades . Economic prosperity We ' re coming out of a global recession and I fully agree the EU got it completely wrong . However Westminster went the same way austerity and they ' re still at it . Leaving the EU doesn ' t give you a better deal it gives you the same deal . That ' s what people voted anyway . Look mate , I actually think it ' s much more complicated than most discussions make it sound , and it really comes down to what you want the EU to be . But I made some perfectly decent points . There were lots of people who didn ' t subscribe to propaganda from both sides . You are making points now , you didn ' t make points before and yes , it ' s a very complex issue which is not just black or white . I ' m not proclaiming to have all the answers , and there will be gaps in my knowledge but I ' ve done my best as any citizen should among the duties of everyday life to try and understand this complex issue . I ' m a little bit disappointed in your last sentence . We ' re the same , so I don ' t really see why you should be disappointed by my last sentence . I was disappointed that you were not really making any points . You ' re making some now and some others you ' re still failing to be specific , but this is getting unproductive . I ' m not trying to wind you up , I ' m trying to really understand why would you made a decision that in my opinion is wrong . Do you feel that your knowledge on this subject is greater than mine ? Fine . Educate me . But don ' t be a bad bellend . It ' s not good for debate . I don ' t know if my knowledge is greater than yours . If you don ' t make your points it ' s hard to know , hence why I pushed you . Also , I ' m not here to measure who ' s got the longest . I ' m here to discuss why you thought it was good to leave the EU and why I thought it was bad to leave the EU . Have an awesome day !