I ' d love to grab the Cory doctorow books but not available in the UK grrrrr <| sep |> Hey , if you try my method and brute force it with CLT , it would be like beating the boss with your dickfan . <| sep |> I just mean he seems to be glorifying his struggleMaybe , most people glorify their own values . I see nothing wrong with that . I wouldn ' t criticize my worst enemy for believing in themselves even though I would hate their values I would kind of expect them to well have those values . whereas some of us might feel he is forcing his personal agenda onto our livesHow so ? Is he forcing you to listen to his message ? Is he taking resources from you ? Are you claiming a general disagreement with people being able to pursue values different from your own ? Would you be willing to stop pursuing the values you have that he or anyone might object to in order to not be forcing your agenda onto the world ? What I ' m asking is what benefit am I not seeing to destroying our system ? I cant speak for Cody but I guess he wants the institutions currently suppressed by the state to exist . You may not value these things in which case there is no justifying it to you . You are in a state of conflict with him if that ' s the case . Do you really want to understand why someone might value economic and personal freedom and the sorts of institutions that might be built in that context ? I dont think there is a simple answer for that . Is that benefit worth it to someone who just wants to enjoy their life ? Why do you think people like Cody or ancaps don ' t want to enjoy our lives ? we really do . No one here wants to stop you from doing whatever you want so long as you are not ruining the lives of others through threats of force . Ancaps generally believe that the state is a net negative on peoples lives . Like libertarians they believe there is a strong correlation with economic freedom and the wealth of populations . It might seem strange that there would be people at believe the less your life is controlled by strangers who give themselves the right to harm you and take from you the more you might be able to pursue your goals and accumulate wealth if thats what you want . We have regular discussions about how goods and services that people think a state must provide have been provided without forcing people to pay in the past and how it could be done in the future . Whether these arguments would be convincing to you I dont know . In any case if you support using the violence of the state ancaps are for resisting it . You desire to just live a peaceful life is somewhat diminished in its importance to us if it relies on an institution whos only distinguishing property is that it can pardon itself and others for violent crimes . to infact have people believe that the violent actions it takes are not crimes . Even wen it does something as fowl as to tax victims for the bullets it uses to kill them . I understand though the desire to not be that target and to believe that these organizations are not simply parasites with feel good venom .