Thank you I guess I ' m too dense . I understand what you are saying completely . Clearing RedBuff jungle quadrant definitely takes more time than BlueBuff quadrant . Easy to understand . nbspI think most of us low ELO junglers have a hard time grasping that the sides are SO different . we don ' t understand why you shouldn ' t start Blue regardless of which side of the map you are playing , or why Bot lane on BlueSide start i . e . Red Buff Blue Side is so much easier to collapse than RedSide Blue Buff , you have to be able to see the game at a whole different granularity that the majority of low elo junglers don ' t have the concept of yet at least I sure don ' t . <| sep |> Not surprised you got ' what ' s your ethnicity ' as the first Q from that one . I ' ve lived in both and prefer Toronto , mostly because I hate rain and clouds all the time and got bored of the mountains .