You cannot understand the beauty of a souls game without playing it for a considerable amount of time <| sep |> Huh , didn ' t notice that one . Thanks . And I wasn ' t complaining , I was asking a question . No reason to be a dick about it . <| sep |> Well , they don ' t gain karma currently . <| sep |> Wouldn ' t it be nice if we had people who wanted to hack multiplayer video games , but just did funny or cool stuff instead ? You know , not out of malice or personal gain , but because it ' d be genuinely awesome ? ex 1 fmVxCI 3 pPA <| sep |> Perhaps I am missing something , it certainly wouldnt be the first time and it definitely wont be the last , but I still disagree that it is missing the contrary element that is vital to the definition . Lets filter out swimming in the above example and try to simplify the sentence . A person has a fear , by trying to overcome his fear , the reason of his fear manifests . or maybe A person has a fear , understanding that the fear needs to be conquered he attempts to rid him of his fear . Unfortunately due to his fear he hadnt the relevant experience to ensure the situation was safe and the fear manifests itself . Again , I may well be off the mark and missed something crucial but I think I have the essence of the idea presented . The intent overcoming fear caused the outcome manifestation of fear . To myself at least that is expected . Him believing it was the rational course of action should have no bearing on whether the situation itself was ironic . And while I understand this is an extremely pedantic conversation , and having a discussion about whether a persons death was ironic or not has to be in slightly bad taste , I do thank you for your civil discourse