ELLEN PAO IS A CUNT <| sep |> I still remember doing World of Warcraft raids on 10 man Arthas during Wrath expansion . Only 10 attempts on hard mode per week if you did the rest of the raid perfectly . Took my group about 130 attempts to down the boss and get the title . Combined , I had almost 365 days play time before I quit over 8 , 500 hours . Destiny is like WoW lite for me . I can raid , but I don ' t need a raid group . I can quest and strike in about the same time commitment as WoW . However , I do not need to be in a 25 man or 10 man consistent raid team week after week to do the same exact content to grind for best pve gear . It ' s a grinding game without the social commitment . Grinding games do not get old for me for quite a while PEdit I am almost 30 and appreciate the grind .