Be sure to do a couple shots tomorrow to avoid withdrawals . <| sep |> We like to work together to help everyone . Certain things are sacred health , happiness , family . <| sep |> Leave those Nic , come on mate , I don ' t want you to fail . <| sep |> but I ' m sick of being told fat is subjective it isn ' t in any way that matters , words have commonly understood meanings and even if finesses are sometimes up for enterpretation , the bulk of it is common sense . Literally ask anyone who speaks the English language if they see Nikkie as fat and they will say yes . She ' s even obviously overweight by objective parameters like the BMI . It ' s not like she has 10 pounds extra or something . Again , you miss my point of what I try to say when I say fat is subjective . I ' m not saying Nikkie isn ' t fat , but I ' m trying to discuss a whole fat shaming culture to give you a better idea . I , and a lot of other people , really don ' t care whether or not you specifically find fat people attractive , but , the fact of the matter is , you participated in a culture that shames fat people lmfao . Your past actions speak for themselves . Also , like I told you , your preferencebiasaesthetic which I think comes off way worse than you think it doeswhatever you feel comfortable labeling it doesn ' t bother me , but it does make a point that Nikkie is being judged by a society that doesn ' t favor fat people . You are an example of this . You are uncomfortable by me pointing that out as shown by the paragraphs that follow after I make that reply . I don ' t care about your personal preferences , my dude . You are judging her for contouring . You think it takes away from a creative moment . My argument is that she ends up focusing on her eyes and lips anyway so it ' s not like it matters since she is not a MUA we go to for face looks . Watch Lisa Eldrige if you want overall face looks . and maybe a mild irony in all of this is that you do actually have some control over your weight , while you don ' t over features you ' re born with , yet people are supposed to be more sensitive and sympathetic when it comes to the one issue that ' s partially selfinflicted . Honestly only people who have never been significantly overweighthad to lose a significant amount of weight say shit like this . One of my friends slimmed down in his last years of high school . He ended up talking about how people treated him much better when he got skinnier and it made him feel so fucking shitty . Even gaining weight takes A LOT of work and time and the changing of your entire lifestyle . You ' re not sensitive to this because you lack an understandingempathy for it . There IS no special treatment to give it . You can ' t judge people ' s health and lives from whether or not you see them as fat . You KNOW that being skinny healthy and it often actually doesn ' t mean that . You have no idea what that person is doing , how this person ' s habits are , etc . You aren ' t a fucking doctor and you ' re not any specific fat person ' s doctor . As soon as your opinion starts to try to push other people ' s lifestyles to your own agenda , THAT ' S when I ' m uncomfortable . I call out people when they try to criticize plastic surgery , when they try to criticize how a person dresses , when they make fun of someone for their looks , etc . This is just as much a part of that and there ' s not special treatment going on . Being fat isn ' t a disease so stop trying to act like it is . I highly doubt you actually care about people being optimally healthy because , again , skinny healthy and fat people can be healthierliving a healthier lifestyle than someone on the streets . I try to tell you about the subjectivity of healthiness and unhealthiness because whether or not someone is fat can also tie to racial features where some people do end up fatter in some areas of their body than other people . Some people TRY to be fatter and some people TRY to be skinnier and some people TRY to be more muscular . The reality of the matter is that skinny is not everyone ' s goal so stop trying to act like it is . Nikkie might be in the middle of only drinking kale shakes and maybe mildly exercising . She might be slowly losing weight . It ' s not our business , is my point lmfao . We can sit around and discuss her health all we want , but what does that have to do with her skills as an MUA ? Nothing . All you care about is her marketability , but not everyone cares about Nikkie ' s weight . Nikkie has way more subscribers than a lot of skinny MUAs and Nikkie is way more well known . I also want to point out that , some brands don ' t look for conventional beauty , Francois Nars goes out of his way to get older models in his campaigns . Especially with the changing culture , we see more and more plus size models . It ' s not about changing what YOU find attractive . It ' s about changing a societal perspective so that fat people can be treated like human beings that exist and with that changing perspective , more and more people realize that , yes , fat people CAN be attractive . Btw , the fact you went digging through my history and are now trying to discuss that has no sense . It was a different context , and the comment was made somewhat tongueincheek , and yeah , iI think that if someone goes out of their way to date obese people that there might be more than statistical coincidence going on . A fetish is being attracted to any niche of some sort , it doesn ' t necessarily mean other people are repulsed by it by default . I ' m sure most people can mildly appreciate a nice foot , but not everyone can get off with the idea of feet alone . Also quality over quantity , whatever . Some people are more attractive than others to the average person , and they have better dating prospects so they ' re harder to land . Is this shocking to anyone ? From the comment , I doubt it was the guy going out of his way to only date fat women and , from your comments , I doubt you thought the same . The post was essentially saying my friend ' s trick to getting laid every night was to try to hit up the fattest chick at a party and your posts suggest 1 fat people are generally not attractive 2 maybe he had a fetish since he could basically stomach to fuck fat girls quality over quantity so let ' s not try to twist around it otherwise because it ' s pretty clear what you were trying to say . That ' s a problem of culture around food . And no I ' m sorry I don ' t think any reasonable person can justify putting crap in their body , ruining their health as well as general quality of life for fun . Pretty much every culture eats for fun . Like I said , France really pushes the taste thing , but they ' re just better about quantity . You and I both know it ' s less of people wanting to eat food because it tastes goodthey like eating food that ' s so weird to try to act like eating food for fun is a completely bad thing , sorry just my opinion 0 and more that our capitalist consumer culture pushed for larger portions , quicker foodsquicker eating , etc . that all lead to this obesity problem . like Nikkie being fat is subjective in any meaningful way ? Again , I wasn ' t talking about subjectivity to talk about Nikkie . I was trying to discuss subjectivity in attractiveness vs what ' s fat and how this leads to an extremely unhealthy culture .