Don ' t know , but I ran into his cousin at a bar once and he bought me pizza ! # clutchery <| sep |> Yeah it was stupid though because his agenda is the exact opposite of what they want . I think it was a fuck you to the DNC but really it damaged their future . But you really have to have parents to tell you these things , if not than people can vote on other things besides reason and that ' s dangerous . But like I said many of these people haven ' t experienced W so Sanders might have had a better chance of winning . It was a dumb thing to vote for Trump but when people are upset they act irrationally it ' s pretty sad though . <| sep |> ur a simpleton <| sep |> Fair . This is a healthy discourse and I enjoy it , and I ' m actually learning a bit , so I ' ll drop the natural selection piece but to be clear , I was not implying eugenics , but rather observing the sort of Darwinian survival of the fittest environment that unfettered capitalism creates . I think our main separation of agreement here comes at what sort of society would be created in a world where the state disappeared . For argument , let ' s work with two assumptions and feel free to change these if you disagree with them 1 through some sort of revolution of the proletariat and the handlaborers , private ownership ceases to be recognized and money is abolished resources are evenly distributed based on need . 2 Plenty of people still think like me in this society , a diehard capitalist who ' d rather kill myself than live in a society where I could not innovate , produce , and profit spectacularly . So let ' s say I engineer a new way to build watches . These are the best watches out there . Everyone wants them , but of course , has no way of getting them because I alone am capable of building them . These mechanical movements are more accurate than the best Swiss builds , and the casing makes Rolex look like Timex . But people want them so badly they ' re willing to trade incredible amounts of their rations for them . I trade their rations for more raw materials to continue crafting my watches . I do this for awhile , but I quickly grow tired of unlimited wine and cheese and cows and television sets , and instead ask that try to compensate me with gold . Gold isn ' t distributed in the rations and is very rare and desirable , but people are enterprising , and they find a way to get me what I want in order to continue receiving my famous watches . I trade my neighbors their land in exchange for my gold , watches , and excess rations . They more than happily oblige as they can take those resources to trade with others for new land in another part of town . With expanded acreage , I create machines that help me make more watches more quickly . I recruit two local boys to help with the assembly each only does part of the work and therefore lacks the ability to fully recreate the process . I compensate the boys with extra food rations they ' re fat , hungry bastards and even a small amount of gold . This is a much better scenario for them than if they did other work and only received their paltry societally allocated ration , so of course they agree . One day some thief breaks into my property and steals some watches . From that point onward I hire the biggest neighborhood brute to defend my property from others , under the same compensation scheme . Continue this on and on , and bear in mind that others all across the country are doing the same thing . Eventually , the society you have very much resembles capitalism , and no one can stop it unless you have a state come to forcibly deprive the entrepreneurs of their goods . Some are making watches , others are making computers , still others are simply building big houses and renting out the rooms . But these people cannot be stopped . No matter how hard society tries to squash them out with violent force , ten more take their place , succeeding and thriving through mutual cooperation with others . This is why invariably , society reverts to capitalism . It cannot be stopped except by with an extremely oppressive and violent state , whose goal is to crush these innovators before they acquire meaningful amounts of land and capital . You can create arbitrary , unenforceable rules No acquiring extra land ! No engaging in contracts with others ! No building machines that do work for you ! but with no state to enforce it , the rules are meaningless . I personally find any system that restricts my ability to trade with others , engage in contracts with others , and accumulate capital incredibly oppressive , but this isn ' t an argument about that . This is an argument about what would actually happen in a stateless society , and I ' ve laid out my point as to why it will invariably revert to free enterprise and capitalism .