I mean it ' s also harder for men to show emotions due to society . <| sep |> Wow . That guy does not look a day over 75 . Could probably pass for 65 . I need to find out where he ' s hiding that fountain of youth and good health . <| sep |> Now give me the significant portion . You mean random dude with 200 upvotes ? <| sep |> Takumi you know what Soma , you are just better than me at cooking <| sep |> cmswrcpapi 3 g . nybETPQBDGIm using this , its great ! Now you ' ll have bluetooth while charging your phone . And this device holds a charge ! <| sep |> I think you missed my main point about physical versus moral law . Moral laws describe what ought to happen . Physical laws describe what actually happens . Moral laws describe the value that morally significant things actions , people , institutions , etc have in light of their nonmoral properties . Moral laws also carry normative force , yes , but I ' m not sure there ' s anything special about that for present purposes . Whether or not an intrinsic value which certain things possess could exist at all is the point of contention here . I cannot see how that could be the case . If so , then these intrinsic values are a product of the physical , deterministic world which , as you already mentioned , seems dubious . That doesn ' t follow at all . Why would intrinsic value need to be physical , or grounded in the physical ?