The worst veritable orgies are always the ones that happen just behind you ! <| sep |> Its decent i wouldnt say that its very good though , late game you often dont get to attack that much because you are just kited and kited through force staffs or invis , or disarm , or saving abilities . <| sep |> Mirrored deviantArt image by the author IttyBittyKittyTittys I am a bot . If I did something wrong , let me knowmessagecompose ? t o k upiakossubjectLapisMirror . FAQ 4 wghdd Source <| sep |> With the current rules It ' s 3 rd and 20 , CB commits DPI 12 yards downfield , result is a 1 st down . It ' s 3 rd and 10 , CB commits DPI 12 yards downfield , result is a 1 st down . Without automatic first downs It ' s 3 rd and 20 , CB commits DPI 12 yards downfield , result is a 3 rd and 8 . It ' s 3 rd and 10 , CB commits DPI 12 yards downfield , result is 1 st down . You might not agree but it makes perfect sense . Most defensive penalties don ' t result in automatic first downs .