If they brought out an Arab revolt DLC , complete with camel charges , I ' d be a happy man <| sep |> Sorry , my bad thanks ! <| sep |> DAE THINK uphedre IS A LIZARDTARD WHO LIVES AT THE CENTER OF THE EARTH AND SECRETLY CONTROLS SRD ? ! I think that covered all 4 <| sep |> How is zip line not useful in defense ? You have no idea what you ' re talking about . You can score headshots AND clear waves much more efficiently when you use it correctly . Many maps sport vantage points that aren ' t efficient to use tripwire changes that . Stealth globe thing isn ' t that useful when you have a frost to globe anyway . I doubt that Frosts leave their spot , risk dying , cast a snow globe that can fuck up killing enemies that in turn attack back , then go back to the spot and risk dying once more . Ivara can just shoot a stealth globe and go revive herself , or leave it to another . Yeah she can shut down a lot of enemies but other frames can do a lot more . Care to elaborate ? Keep in mind this is all in a single ability slot . Sleep , globe and tripwire . That ' s extreme efficiency . Not to mention useful . You ' re seriously underestimating the power of Artemis Bow . CernosP is NOTHING compared to Ivara . It isn ' t a little better . They compete in completely different leagues . Sure it can ' t shoot vertical but who cares . Anyone who thinks that killing heavy enemies at one shot cares . Bbut I can do that too . Yes you can , but Ivara can aswell . And better . You ' re thinking that Artemis Bow is just another bow with many arrows it ' s not . The damage it deals along with instant cast Quiver shots is not something to take lightly . Edit Also , you ' re not addressing the charge mechanic . I can fire two shots of Artemis while you shoot one . That ' s 28 arrows that each deal more damage than 2 of CernosP versus 1012 .