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Sorry for the data dumpBrigham Young and other early leaders taught that quickening when the mother felt the child move at about 5 months was when the spirit entered the fetus . when the mother feels life come to her infant it is the spirit entering the body . Brigham Young . Journal of Discourses , 17143 . When the body is prepared , at the proper time , the spirit enters the tabernacle , and all the world of mankind in their reflections and researches must come to this conclusion , for the fact is they can come to no otherthat when the mother feels life there is an evidence that the spirit from heaven has entered the tabernacle . Brigham Young , Salt Lake City , October 8 , 1876 Journal of Discourses 18258259 Then there is the bible which doesn ' t recognise the fetus as a person until it takes breath . For example , Judah orders the death by burning of his daughter in law for adultery , in spite of her being three months pregnant Genesis 3824 . And it came to pass about three months after , that it was told Judah , saying , Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot and also , behold , she is with child by whoredom . And Judah said , Bring her forth , and let her be burnt . Contrast with Sharia law which requires the death of the woman only after bearing and weaning the childOf importance is that Joseph Smith did not alter this verse in the JST , although he took time to alter a nearby verse concerning Onan his mortal sin was not in spilling his seed on the ground as in the KJV , rather it was refusing to sleep with his sister in law incidentally this removes scriptural condemnation of masturbation and coitus interruptusThen , this was the response to a question on the matter in the Ensign thirty years ago huge data dump but pasting the whole reply for contextVal D . Greenwood , I Have a Question , Ensign , Sept . 1987 , 27 Can we put the names of our miscarried or stillborn children on our family group records ? Will these children belong to us in the hereafter ? Val D . Greenwood , manager of special services , Temple Department , The Church of JesusChrist of Latterday Saints . The first question is easily answered Church policy does permit a family to record stillbornchildren on their family group record if they wish to do so . If the stillbirth takes place afterthe sealing of the parents , those children can be identified on the record as being born inthe covenant BIC . Miscarriages , however , are not normally recorded on family grouprecords . A miscarriage is delivery of a dead fetus , before it is viablethat is , before it could havelived on its own outside the mother ' s womb . A stillbirth is delivery of the dead fetus that hasdeveloped to the point where it would normally have been viable , but for some reason isborn dead . The line between a miscarriage and a stillbirth is not clear cut , andsometimes there is a question as to whether the fetus was viable . In this case , the decisionto record or not to record the name on the family records is up to the family . The familymay give the stillborn child a name for recording purposes , if they desire , and funeralservices may even be held . But such children are not reported as births or deaths on Churchrecords . It should be noted , however , that no temple ordinances are performed in behalf of astillborn child . Elder Joseph Fielding Smith , quoting President Brigham Young , wrote that ' they are all right , ' and nothing in the way of sealings or ordinances need be done forthem . Bruce R . McConkie , comp . , Doctrines of Salvation , Salt Lake City Bookcraft , 1955 , 2281 . The question of whether stillborn children will be resurrected and belong to their parents inthe hereafter is really the crux of the matter . This question is , as yet , impossible to answerwith certainty . Elder Joseph Fielding Smith wrote that there is no information given byrevelation in regard to the status of stillborn children . However , I will express my personalopinion that we should have hope that these little ones will receive a resurrection and thenbelong to us . Doctrines of Salvation , 2280 . He said nothing about miscarried children . One issue involved is whether an unborn child in the mother ' s womb is a living soul . Theanswer to that question may depend in part on the answer to another questionWhen doesthe spirit enter the body ? On this second question some Church leaders have madecomments . President Brigham Young said he believed that when the mother feels life cometo her infant it is the spirit entering the body . Journal of Discourses , 17143 . The message The Origin of Man issued by the First Presidency in 1909 stated The bodyof man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo , which becomes an infant , quickenedat a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is , and the child , after being born , develops into a man . James R . Clark , comp . , Messages of the First Presidency of TheChurch of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints , Salt Lake City Bookcraft , 1970 , 4205 . Elder Bruce R . McConkie , referring to The Origin of Man , expressed his opinion that themessage appears to bear out the concept that the eternal spirit enters the body prior to anormal birth , and therefore that stillborn children will be resurrected . Mormon Doctrine , 2 ded . , Salt Lake City Bookcraft , 1966 , p . 768 . It is not clear exactly at what point of development that certain stage of quickeningwhenthe spirit makes eternal claim to the bodyoccurs . Even though quickening occurs beforebirth , we still do not know definitely when a living soul comes into existence . In fact , someChurch leaders have suggested that a living soul does not exist until three essentialelementsthe body , the spirit , and the breath of lifeare all present . Unfortunately , grief , disappointment , and lack of knowledge sometimes lead some personsto doubt the justice and love of God when a child is delivered without taking the breath oflife . At such times , our Savior Jesus Christ , who has suffered for all , has invited us to turn tohim so that he may help us bear our burdensCome unto me , all ye that labour and are heavy laden , and I will give you rest . Matt . 1128 . Traumatic as miscarriage and stillbirth may be from our perspective , they need not end insorrow . The Apostle Paul has written about how suffering can turn to hope when weexperience the love of GodWe glory in tribulations also knowing that tribulation worketh patienceAnd patience , experience and experience , hopeAnd hope maketh not ashamed because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts bythe Holy Ghost which is given unto us . Rom . 535 . Though our knowledge of the plan of salvation does not explain why miscarriages andstillbirths take place , nor what the eternal result will be , we can know with confidence thatGod , who is the father of all spirits , is merciful and just . We can know also that there ishope . Worthy parents can trust in him and know that they and all his spirit childrenwillone way or anotherreceive a just reward for their efforts and sacrifice , perhaps inways that we do not presently comprehend . data dumpSo there was no original reason why one could not abort prior to quickening , and there were a number of reports of abortion being used to conceal early polygamy e . g . By Sarah Pratt and William Law . I understand most Christian denominations except the Catholics agreed with the quickening limit until it became a political issue .