Hmm . White guy in a suit . Not really . White guy in a suit in Auckland . Err . maybe , I guess . <| sep |> Cool ! I assume you have to be a VMUG member in order to participate ? Unfortunately there isn ' t a local VMUG in my town . <| sep |> His knee was down before he lost control of the ball . <| sep |> Op isn ' t the shooter . <| sep |> Sorry man , not interested in anything else <| sep |> You haven ' t met business fraternitiessocieties yet <| sep |> So you ' re complaining about fallacies after numerous ad hominem attacks and a complete refusal to actually state any side of a debate ? All you ' ve done is attack me and my argument without ever bringing up anything relevant to your side . I ' m not really treating this as a Philosophy class as treating it as an actual discussion . You have addressed next to none of my points head on and just attack small segments of it to try and undercut it . I ' ll agree on brevity , I do suck at being concise in my arguments , but such is life .