North of Toronto isn ' t in Toronto . It ' s York Region . You ' re in Mississauga or Oakville and you ' re not going to Toronto , you ' re going to York Region . That has nothing to do with John Tory deciding to put tolls on the DVP and the Gardiner . I don ' t see what any of that as to do with my comment , it doesn ' t matter what ' s officially in Toronto or what isn ' t . You brought up the comparison between the 407 and the DVPGardiner so I was addressing that . I think that if you ' re coming from the west of the city I ' m usually coming from London or Hamilton but that doesn ' t really make a difference there are several options besides driving on the Gardiner to get to downtown Toronto ie . take public transit , while there are few options besides driving on the 407 to get to north of Toronto . And it ' s your choice to pay to take the 407 . You could easily use the 401 instead . It ' s your choice to drive on the DVPGardiner . I don ' t think this argument works in either of our favours .