Rec . aviation . soaring is an okay place to lurk , it has some good obscure information , and searching the archives can be usefulinteresting , but it is full of cranky old geezers and there is no updown voting to keep them in check . Many of the nice old geezers there are many know this and they abstain from posting there . Anyone new to soaring who visits rec . aviation . soaring may incorrectly conclude that the sport is full of assholes . Some of the people that act like assholes on rec . aviation . soaring may be really great people , and maybe they just have terrible social skills on the internet . The thing is that soaring clubs are some of the most friendly and sociable places that I ' ve ever been . The people including the geezers are great , very generous , and very positive . The assholes in real life soaring are rare . Rec . aviation . soaring sometimes gives the exact opposite impression of the sport . It only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel .