Rated ! Hope you had a good thanksgiving too <| sep |> As someone who does agree with you and never uses crits for ability checks , I still like the wording of this post because , to me , natural 20 is another way of saying highest roll possible . If he has a bonus of 5 and says he got 25 , that ' s the highest he could roll , but we don ' t know what his bonus is , we don ' t know the modifiers . So saying natural 20 is shorthand for saying highest roll possible and not having to think about modifiers . If one guy says he got 25 and another 28 , maybe they rolled the same and are just different levels , or maybe the 28 rolled better . I can ' t tell from those numbers . <| sep |> Don ' t mind us we ' re just tearing ourselves apart at the seams .