i think part of the issue is that people initially myself included ! are conflating you saying Hey , it ' s possible to make a strong competative list with orks ! with Hey , this codex doesn ' t need an update ! Having a lot of pretty bad models feels bad . I think everyone wants an update to give us some list building wiggle room , and bring some variety to the table . But I think you ' ve also proven that some models are in a really good place . These can both be true ! <| sep |> fun fact you actually don ' t need to do any of those things <| sep |> Opps you beat me to it , haha . <| sep |> So many things to follow up on . And this is a big one . The toddandclare . com one is huge too . <| sep |> Judging on their PMQ performances against each other , Corbyn would annihilate May in any televised debate . Which is why she almost certainly won ' t do any .