I do not wish to be a country without welfare for the unworthy and without everyone getting to flourish . This a clear stated aim of libs . Watch them dig their heels in about reducing public service conditions and pay . They want Australians to be worse off . Turnbull only the other day stated that we cannot stay egalitarian and fair go . I like immigration . I just think it should not be on the basis of taking jobs . If immigration is whole family and humanitarian then it is a level playing field . With unemployment as it is it isnt fair to bring 12 k people a month or whatever in specifically for the purpose of taking an Australian job . It isnt just about one visa class either . I grew up with whole family immigrants . I think it worked better than importing one isolated and cut off person at a time . Especially in nation with many mental health issues due to woefully inadequate social infrastructure and terrible governance . I think it is getting to the stage where there is a case for objectively terrible governance . And correct , said builders etc in such countries are dirt poor . As such , everyone strives to be as educated as possible . Insert reference to asian student gets an A and shamed here . Many of us do not want Australia to be another country where most people are dirt poor . Which is happening to us already . Our education is no longer what it was etc , and the very last thing we want to do , and the very first thing the treacherous libs want to do , is maintain downwards pressure on wagesMalcolm Turnbull told us just the other day that we would have to accept most of us being dirt poor for the good of the country . My reaction ? NO . Just no . Australians are very hard working , and it is offensive to say we are not . A future in which we are just another horrible country is not a utopia but if you think it is you can easily move to one of those places without wrecking our country . I havent seen very many here disapprove of all immigration . Australia is an immigration nation , but immigration that is as you just described designed to make it so ordinary Australians are dirt poor and unhappy ? Nup It simply a matter of taking in more general immigration , as at the moment every person who takes an Australian job that could have been filled by an Australian disadvantages australia and Australians . The abuse of the skilled visa to reduce wages rather than fill genuine need is not helpful . Being a miserable oppressed people doesn ' t appeal . We do not want to be dirt poor . Yet that is what our government OPENLY wants for us . We could have the best nearly free workforce in the world and we would not get infrastructure . The current liberal government is ideologically opposed to infrastructure . You can see it with the deliberately inferior NBN . They will spend any extra amount of money at all to achieve the aim of not supplying good infrastructure . Money is no object provided we do not get a quality and even provision of infrastructure . Why ? Many many reasons . Chiefly a belief Australia should not have infrastructure . Also things like it will release Telstra of many the obligations it took on when it was privatised . They will have monopoly without responsibility . It will remove our reliable telecommunications system from most or all households , to be replaced by inferior telephony as a best case scenario . . And even then ONLY WHEN IT CAN BE AFFORDED . It advances the noble poverty you are espousing . It downgrades our business and social infrastructure and furthers the outcome you seem to think is desirable , of Australians who dirt poor and unable to take advantage of the good stuff . Yes having most people desperate does give the advantage to the wealthy you have so poignantly describe . YUCK . . Let us keep it so everyone has a chance to flourish . Mr Dutton is super pro immigration . He has let anyone at all in if they pay him . He pretended to be anti by rooting defenceless children but he is utterly into it for the purpose of lowering wages , he wants your utopia of everyone being poor . One of the many reasons i advocate a ten percent cap on total immigration from ALL sources is that the political parties are deeply in foreign pay for sure and also rumoured to be accepting immigration for political donation . Government is opposed to the maintenance of current social , physical , regulatory , economic and legal infrastructure so that the idea they might provide enough extra to cope with influx is a jolly good funny . If we want to stay a nice country we have to do something . The least we can do is limit how many bribes officials can take from one country . And it will be popular with hansen supporters just dont tell them it might be ten asian or islamic countries .