I ' ve been trying an AD and DD with modest upgrades . DD is amazing with double armor 488 . 11107 at the moment , and could provide better survivability with armres when you can ' t get the thorn to proc . AD can be good for more CD on the red thorn or better exploiting the additional damage from the blue . With high enough armor due to buffs and upgrades , you might run into some point where the raw damage from buffs and colo scaling may be better than penetration . <| sep |> Nice day for a dress . <| sep |> Blanked out the location address to protect the crappy . <| sep |> Tomorrow is another day . <| sep |> Riki is a support ? Pardon me but I haven ' t touched dota since 6 . 7 x so I can ' t really speak anyway . <| sep |> Not shown that cone costed 30 and is 93 % tobacco