no usually i have to do 3 captchas in a row every 2 weeks or so . still better than nothing <| sep |> Ok , I forgot who is this guy ? <| sep |> Thank you for the elaborate comment . It ' s even simpler than that the difference is social skills . And this is where I disagree . I know plenty of incels and beta guys who don ' t lack social skills . The only social skill they lack is actual flirting with women and taking the necessary steps . I know that people have different opinions on this . Many say that if you can ' t flirt , you don ' t have social skills . But I don ' t understand it . Why would you say that a guy doesn ' t have social skills , if everybody loves to hang out with him because he is fun to be around . And on top of that , he is doing well at work , because he has social skills in a professional environment . He just doesn ' t know how to flirt and close the deal when he dates a woman . Yes , you can say that his social skills are lacking in this regard . But that doesn ' t mean that he can ' t still have plenty social skills . I ' m an introvert myself so I know how frustrating that advice can be , but it really does make all the difference . I appreciate that introverted women struggle with this , too , and for example don ' t like dating because it ' s not a pleasurable experience for them . But I can ' t emphasise the difference enough it doesn ' t make women unattractive . But it does make men unattractive . An introverted woman with no experience is still attractive . No , you don ' t have to be a 6 ' 5 male model but you do need the ability to pick up on the nuance of human communication , especially if you want to get something casual going . Agree 100 %. and made to get top grades in school but they never just went out and hung out at the mall . Exactly . That ' s another reason why I hate the Idolisation of selfimprovement that is going on over at trp right now . They are doing exactly the same as these teenagers in school . They are working on skills that might pay off in years instead of going out and having fun . But I want to emphasise that I know enough guys who do get out a lot and are having fun . And they are still missing out because they dont know how to translate it to dating . They didn ' t date as teenagers , they didn ' t go out in mixed sex groups . To your point , they lack experience but they also lack the faculties to get that experience in the first place . Yes . And this is why I think something needs to be done . This is where it all starts . This is the building foundation of frustration on the dating scene . It ' s a vicious cycle . Exactly .