Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. ~ John 8:44
Civil War's Causes: Historians Largely United on Slavery, But Public Divided
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laconas
- Civil War's Causes: Historians Largely United on Slavery, But Public Divided
Quote from: Spahi on April 15, 2011, 10:52:30 AM
The Cocoanut Grove fire was similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoanut_Grove_fire
A guy wrote a book about it in 1959. Holocaust in 1959 meant something else.
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Shocking-Story-Boston-Cocoanut/dp/B0007E0PSQ
Nobody censors what they agree with
clefty
Group Major
Quote from: jewbacca on April 15, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews
Joo joo joo...such distraction from this global corporation
"....Pope Pius sought to comfort (Jefferson)Davis. (It should be noted that he was the only European prince of the day to recognize — at least in a de facto way — the Southern nation, the Confederate States of America.) Quite simply, though Catholicism was a minority religion in both parts of the country, the Catholic influence in American society was much stronger in the less populous South than in the North at the time of the war. This is because the first ancestors in this country of the majority of today's U.S. Catholics did not arrive until after the conflict....
...For instance, could the War Between the States have ended differently if Bishop Lynch had reached Rome and been received by Ven. Pope Pius IX earlier than a couple of months before Appomattox? It is conceivable that Vatican diplomacy, given time to do its work, could have moved other European powers to recognize the C.S.A., notably France in light of what was then going on in Mexico....
...We have said that many leading Southerners had the right (catholic) religion, or were sympathetic to it, and it would be easy in a short essay to focus on them, to speak exclusively of prominent men, of heroes of the fighting like the twenty Confederate generals who were Catholic, including, very notably, Gen. James Longstreet, a convert, or of the Catholics who were members of President Davis' cabinet. 2
2 The first Catholic to attain such rank in any American administration was in Davis' cabinet. The first Jew, C.S.A. Secretary of State Judah P. Benjamin, was also a member.
http://catholicism.org/catholicism-south.html#note2
form the comments section of that article...
"Father Chiniquy was right. Reading this article confirms what he wrote about the Catholics' aim for America over 100 years ago.
He said that Jefferson Davis had been given assurances before the American Civil War that Catholics all over the world would come to the aid of the South. The intent was to establish a nation (in the South) that would be under Catholic control."
yup all those catholic immigrants sure were useful...still are...but nooooo...its the JOOOS
and on slavery...
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Church&slavery.html
1226 AD The legitimacy of slavery is incorporated in the Corpus Iuris Canonici, promulgated by Pope Gregory IX which remained official law of the Church until 1913. Canon lawyers worked out four "just titles" for holding slaves: slaves captured in war, persons condemned to slavery for a crime; persons selling themselves into slavery, including a father selling his child; children of a mother who is a slave.
more at
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/godvsgreed-3.html#African_American_slavery
"Slavery, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law. There can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons (of the Catholic Church). It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, exchanged or given." [Instruction 20, June 1866]
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Spahi
Quote from: laconas on April 15, 2011, 01:18:13 PM
Wow I didn't even notice that book title on the page.
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Clefty,
Youre a Jew Disnfo Shillstein, putting out multiple disinfo Kosher Bullsh*t
The Bible istelf does not condemn slavery. Colossians 3:22 even states, "Slaves, obey your human masters in everything."
The Catholic Church became one of the first groups to condemn slavery. 400 years before the Civil War.
'The condemnation of slavery is one of those nonbiblical doctrines that Catholics have developed through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit over the centuries.
+ In 1462, Pius II declared slavery to be "a great crime" (magnum scelus). Note that this was 30 years before Columbus "discovered" America.
+ In 1537, Paul III forbade the enslavement of the Indians
+ Urban VIII forbade it in 1639
+ Benedict XIV forbade it in 1741
+ Pius VII demanded of the Congress of Vienna, in 1815, the suppression of the slave trade
+ Gregory XVI condemned it in 1839
+ In the Bull of Canonization of the Jesuit Peter Claver, one of the most illustrious adversaries of slavery, Pius IX branded the "supreme villainy" (summum nefas) of the slave traders.
+ Leo XIII, in 1888, addressed a letter to the Brazilian bishops, exhorting them to banish from their country the remnants of slavery -- a letter to which the bishops responded with their most energetic efforts, and some generous slave-owners by freeing their slaves in a body, as in the first ages of the Church. '
Sicut Dudum
Pope Eugene IV Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands.
On January 13, 1435, Eugene IV issued from Florence this bull. Sent to Bishop Ferdinand, located at Rubicon on the island of Lanzarote, this bull condemned the enslavement of the black natives of the newly colonized Canary Islands off the coast of Africa.
The Pope stated that after being converted to the faith or promised baptism, many of the inhabitants were taken from their homes and enslaved. The Bull is fairly short and is a good reference document.
"To our venerable brothers, peace and apostolic benediction, etcetera.
1. Not long ago, we learned from our brother Ferdinand, bishop at Rubicon and representative of the faithful who are residents of the Canary Islands, and from messengers sent by them to the Apostolic See, and from other trustworthy informers, the following facts: in the said islands—some called Lanzarote—and other nearby islands, the inhabitants, imitating the natural law alone, and not having known previously any sect of apostates or heretics, have a short time since been led into the Orthodox Catholic Faith with the aid of God's mercy. Nevertheless, with the passage of time, it has happened that in some of the said islands, because of a lack of suitable governors and defenders to direct those who live there to a proper observance of the Faith in things spiritual and temporal, and to protect valiantly their property and goods, some Christians (we speak of this with sorrow), with fictitious reasoning and seizing and opportunity, have approached said islands by ship, and with armed forces taken captive and even carried off to lands overseas very many persons of both sexes, taking advantage of their simplicity. "
4. And no less do We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands, and made captives since the time of their capture, and who have been made subject to slavery. These people are to be totally and perpetually free, and are to be let go without the exaction or reception of money. If this is not done when the fifteen days have passed, they incur the sentence of excommunication by the act itself, from which they cannot be absolved, except at the point of death, even by the Holy See, or by any Spanish bishop, or by the aforementioned Ferdinand, unless they have first given freedom to these captive persons and restored their goods. We will that like sentence of excommunication be incurred by one and all who attempt to capture, sell, or subject to slavery, baptized residents of the Canary Islands, or those who are freely seeking Baptism, from which excommunication cannot be absolved except as was stated above."
The date of this Bull, 1435, is very significant. Nearly 60 years before the Europeans were to find the New World, we already had the papal condemnation of slavery as soon as this crime was discovered in one of the first of the Portuguese geographical discoveries.
Your links are more dinsinfo bull$h^t.
If this was my board, youd be banned.
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jacob gold
A Jew Owned Nightclub Torched For Insurance
The Cocoanut Grove was a nightclub in Boston, Massachusetts which, on November 28, 1942, burned in what remains the deadliest nightclub fire in American history, killing 492 people and injuring hundreds more. It was also the second-worst single-building fire in American history; only the Iroquois Theater fire in Chicago in 1903 killed more (602). The tragedy shocked the nation and briefly replaced World War II news headlines. The fire led to a reform of fire codes and safety standards across the country and prompted a seminal study of grief. The club's Jewish owner, Barney Welansky, who had boasted of his ties to the Mafia and to Boston Mayor Maurice J. Tobin, was eventually found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
thomaspain
Quote from: clefty on April 14, 2011, 04:02:31 AM
and appropriated all the currency and stole the land for the pharoah...gen 47:14-26
This "Pharaoh" they are referring to, is he one of the Semite Hyksos Pharaohs that the Jews allied themselves with? In Moses' time the Egyptians got an Egyptian Pharaoh and expelled exodused the Hyksos occupation forces and their allies.
Quote from: WaltDisney on April 15, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
Exactly Walt,
Scripture upholds slavery and supports elitism and exclusions from others....and was used as a tool to uphold the institution of slavery for centuries...
that sooo Jooish...
Of course those in Christ are free and see the need to free others...and scripture says that too...
sadly as history reveals, that message is easily ignored...(or forgotten because joos hate Christ because of this message and seek to distract attention to it)
I point the accusing finger at the church...not scripture...for as an institution the church fosters heirarchy of all levels...its too much fun being pharisees I imagine...
In the case of slavery every religious institution is to blame even islam...but lets keep it to the church...
early converts to christianity were slaves and were attracted to the message of its freedom...
and yet the church as it made its conquests also became a slaver...from serfs to prostitution etc
and yes even anglicanism from england, the wanna be vatican and the puritans who were more popish than the pope and calvinists who predetermined blacks as condemned all had it wrong...
I dont defend protestants...especially those who attempted to replace the religious fascism of the pope with their own version of spiritual totalitarianism
ALAS, you are none of those so I must reserve my criticism to catholicism...
and on this thread, while members have been on the trail of the joo and his influence over the civil war and the south, they have overlooked the role of Rome...
You Walt have chosen to overlook it as well and merely focus on my attention to the Vatican's history on slavery...
that may be true in letter...but not in spirit....there was too much profit in it
ironically and sad is the fact that the colonies of catholic conquest paid little attention to the popes...
also ironic and sad is the pope did not have enough power to do anything about it...so the apologists insist...
and the church's white washing continues...
only in Christ are we free....the church's history says otherwise...
you'd ban me indeed!!
and if your religious corporate state were in control I would be burned and join others who were critical of your church...
you do a better job exemplifying your church than defending her
on the subject of racism and slavery...http://www.amazon.com/White-Over-Black-Attitudes-1550-1812/dp/0807845507
Quote from: thomaspain on April 15, 2011, 07:27:10 PM
not sure, but Freud argued Moses was no joo...and it ruined him...
http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/poemhyp07.htm
as I recall the torah was written looking backwards from babylonian captivity...
babylon and egypt offered alot of examples on strategies in conquest and rule...
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Jew Moron, (Clefty)
There was NO Slavery in Europe after the Church Reigned. Muslims AND Jews trafficked in Slaves, not Christians. Not one nation under Church control instituted or practiced Slavery.
For over 1000+ Years, there was NO Slavery. No Debtors Prison.
That came later AFTER the Jews were released from their rightful ghettos. Especially in England, Post Reformation.
And the White Wash, is that of Jew Crimes, Jew Pedophilia and Protestant Crimes, like the Genocide of the American Indians, defended by the use of errant scripture.
Youre a shameless Jew shill.
Quote from: WaltDisney on April 16, 2011, 06:45:02 AM
There was NO Slavery in Europe after the Church Reigned. .
I am not sure of the exact period you refer to as "after the Church Reigned"? Was it the period when serfdom was in flower? The serfs were definitely not slaves to be bought and sold. But they were bound to the land and were included in land sales and conquests. They did get to travel when they were part of their lord's levy of conscripts in wartime.
There was an occasional serf who was in a manner of speaking, freed. Those rare individuals of above average intelligence were removed from the land. They were isolated from causing discontent among their fellows. Natural leaders were dangerous. They were sent to the monastery or to the priesthood.
The Jewish divine mission of TIKKUN OLAM (World Repair) aims to restore all of Humanity to serfdom under Jewish masters. It is slowly being accomplished.
PRIOR TO THE REFORMATION THERE WAS LITTLE SLAVERY IN EUROPE. The jewish reformation succeeded in throwing the peasants off the land to form a cheap pool of labor.
Anti catholic penal laws meant white slavery became the foundation of British Israel zionism/empire, based on Talmudic slave laws calling whites cattle/chattel/GOYIM.
"It was not a reformation but a devastation, of England, which was, at the time when this event took place, the happiest Country, perhaps, that the world had ever seen;
Let us ask, then, whether reason do not reject with disdain the slander that has been heaped on the Monastic Institutions. They flourished in England for nine hundred years; they were beloved by the people; they were destroyed by violence, by the plunderer's grasp, and the murderer's knife.
Was there ever any thing, vicious in itself, or evil in its effects, held in veneration by a whole people for so long a time?
Even in our own time, we see the people of Spain rising in defence of their Monasteries; and we hear the Scotch "feelosofers" abuse them, because they do not like to see the property of those Monasteries transferred to English Jews.
From the land all the good things come.
Somebody must own the land.
Those who own it must have the distribution of its revenues. If these revenues be chiefly distributed amongst the people, from whose labour they arise, and in such a way as to afford to them a good maintenance on easy terms, the community must be happy.
If the revenues be alienated in very great part; if they be carried away to a great distance, and expended amongst those, from whose labour no part of them arise, the main body of the community must be miserable: poor houses, gaols, and barracks must arise.
Now, one of the greatest advantages attending the Monasteries was, that they, of necessity, caused the revenues of a large part of the lands of the country to be spent on the spot whence those revenues arose.
The hospitals and all the other establishments of the kind had the same tendency. There were, of the whole, great and small, not less, on an average, than fifty in each county; so that the revenues of the land diffused themselves, in great part, immediately amongst the people at large.
We all well know how the state of a parish becomes instantly changed for the worse, when a noble or other great land-owner quits the mansion in it, and leaves that mansion shut up.
Every one knows the effect which such a shutting up has upon the poor- rates of a parish. It is notorious, that the non-residence of the Clergy and of the noblemen and gentlemen is universally complained of as a source of evil to the country.
One of the arguments, and a great one it is, in favour of severe game laws, is, that the game causes noblemen and gentlemen to reside.
What, then, must have been the effect of twenty rich Monasteries in every county, expending constantly a large pan of their incomes on the spot?
The great cause of the miseries of Ireland, at this moment, is "absenteeship"; that is to say, the absence of the land-owners , who draw away the revenues of the country, and expend them in other countries.
If Ireland had still her seven or eight hundred Monastic Institutions, great and small, she would be, as she formerly was, prosperous and happy.
There would be no periodical famines and typhus fevers; no need of sun-set and sun-rise laws; no Captain Rocks; no projects for preventing the people from increasing; no schemes for getting rid of a "surplus population"; none of that poverty and degradation that threaten to make a desert of the country, or to make it the means of destroying the greatness of England herself.
The whole country was, thus, disfigured; it had the appearance of a land recently invaded by the most brutal barbarians: and this appearance, if we look well into it, it has even to this day. Nothing has ever yet come to supply the place of what was then destroyed. This is the view for us to take of the matter, it is not a mere matter of religion; but a matter of rights, liberties, real wealth, happiness and national greatness.
If all these have been strengthened, or augmented, by the "REFORMATION," even. then we must not approve of the horrible means; but, if they have all been weakened, or lessened, by that "Reformation," what an outrageous abuse of words is it to call the event by that name!
And, if I do not prove, that this latter has been the case; if I do not prove, clear as the daylight, that, before the "Reformation," England was greater, more wealthy, more moral, and more happy, than she has ever been since; if I do not make this appear as clearly as any fact ever was made to appear, I will be content to pass, for the rest of my life, for a vain pretender.
If I look at the county of Surrey, in which I myself was born, and behold the devastation of that county, I am filled with indignation against the ruffian devastators. Surrey has very little of natural wealth in it.
A very considerable part of it is mere heath-land. Its present comparative opulence is a creature of the fictitious system of funding. Yet this county was, from one end of it to the other, ornamented and benefited by the establishments which grew out of the Catholic Church. At BERMONDSEY there was an Abbey; at St. MARY OVERY there was a Priory, and this convent founded that very St. Thomas's Hospital which now exists in Southwark. This Hospital also was seized by the ruffians, but the building was afterwards given to the City of London.
At NEWINGTON there was an Hospital, and, after its revenues were seized, the master obtained a licence to beg! At MERTON there was a Priory. Then, going across to the Sussex side, there was another Priory at REIGATE, Coming again near the Thames, and more to the West, there was a Priory at SHENE.
Still more to the West, there was an Abbey at CHERTSEY. At TANDRIGE there was a Priory. Near GUILDFORD, at SENDE, there was a Priory. And, at the lower end of the county, at WAVERLEY, in the parish of Farnham, was an Abbey. To these belonged cells and chapels at a distance from the convents themselves: so that it would have been a work of some difficulty for a man so to place himself, even in this poor heathy county, at six miles distance from a place where the door of hospitality was always open to the poor, to the aged, the orphan, the widow, and the stranger.
Can any man, now, place himself, in that whole county, within any number of miles of any such door? No; nor in any other county. All is wholly changed, and all is changed for the worse.
There is now no hospitality in England.
CROMWELL had obtained enormous wealth, from his several offices, as well as from the plunder of the church and the poor. He had got about thirty of the estates belonging to the monasteries; his house, or rather palace, was gorged with the fruits of the sacking; he had been made Earl of Essex; he had precedence of every one but the King; and he, in fact, represented the King in the Parliament, where he introduced and defended all his confiscating and murdering laws.
He had been barbarous beyond all description towards the unfortunate and unoffending monks and nuns; without such an instrument the plunder never could have been effected: but, he was no longer wanted; the ruffian had already lived too long; the very walls of the devastated convents seemed to call for public vengeance on his head.'
-William Cobbett, Protestant Author
A HISTORY OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION IN ENGLAND AND IRELAND
ha ha ha...slaves had it better than endentured servants and serfs in illiterate and poverty striken catholic lands...
and as for "not one nation"...ha ha ha tell that to the catholic new world ...and slavery continues in catholic countries like phillipines...
but oh sure the church's official stance is against slavery...like its against pedophilia I am sure
and stop comparing catholic with protestant...both do evil
the topic remains causes of the civil war and I merely wanted to remind of catholic city of london financing with french jesuit (but still catholic) interests and the pope himself deeply invested into the break up of america...
and not just the JOOOOOOOOOS...ha ha ha
Quote from: clefty on April 17, 2011, 06:08:06 PM
Slaves in pictures always look in better shape than indentured servant or serfs. Serfs always look like they're about to die of malnutrition.
it always annoys the blacks when i remind them that the car we own is better taken care of then the car we rent....
and when they joke "they be working us like slaves" i remind them we dont get free room and board..
The history of slavery is so distorted today I don't know what to believe sometimes. I know for example that slaves did buy their freedom.
pope daniel
Order of Miseratio Solvo Templum
Of course slavery is legit, just look where they end up without it
Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.
The history of slavery today is used for everything except telling the history of slavery.
The Whole Board is now Dumber for having read your post...
If Ireland had still her seven or eight hundred Monastic Institutions, great and small, she would be, as she formerly was, prosperous and happy.'
-William Cobbett
There were 6 cases of pedophilia in the US Catholic Church last year, and 9 the year prior.
There are that many Israeli and US Rabbis indicted daily for such crimes..
There were also 260 cases in Protestant Sects, they molest at a rate of 40:1 compared to Catholics according to the 3 largest insurers.
The Jew cant keep his facts straight, so Clefty offers lies instead. From Lies about pedophilia, to Lies about Slavery and how they were better off than natural born sovereign citizens and farmers. Youre a Shamelss silly person.
Jews are prone to pedophilia because
a ..... They are inbreed
b ..... They hvae no souls ... they don't believe in an afterlife
You do konw einstein impregnated his 12 yr old cousin, that Polanski drugged children, and that Sigmund Freund did coke and bedded his tween (nee'preteen) daughter. Look at John Phillips (moomas and poppas) he boinked his daughter. John Voight did his daughter.
and the coffers in Rome were filled by monies collected from the seven hills? ha
indulgences and taxes were spent where they were extracted? ha ha
st paul's and all the crusades were funded from vatican bake sales and bingo in its basement? ha ha ha
your cobbett was blind...
I said the official stance of the catholic church is against pedophilia...and you say I am lying? ha ha ha
I said protestants do evil too..and you say I am lying?...ha ha ha
just this past sunday in the paper the catholic league took out a full page ad trying to whitewash...
included was the argument that most of the boys were post pubescent therefore it was an issue of homosexuality not pedophilia...
so NOW its ok?...ha ha ha
Youre a Shamelss silly person.
and you exemplify your church better than defend her...
now what of
catholic supreme court justices overturning states and upholding slavery as did Taney in Dred Scott?
or Davis being rejected admission to the church...too obvious a catholic attacking the union?
or the pope being the only european representative to recognize the rebs?
or all the money from catholic city of london and french jesuits to invest in america being torn apart?
dumping millions of catholic immigrants and america is different and torn apart...
and the supreme court corporate statist 6 catholics and 3 joos...