Personaly, I don't think Plageius himself would be that interesting, to tell the truth. If you haven't read the books and comics then Plageius is just some background name with a single throw away mentioning in RotS, which isn't a lot of setup for a final boss reveal 6 movies later...
I've been wondering about this. Other than the line in ROTS, is there any other mention of or appearance by Darth Plageius in canon? I don't have the time available to consume the new EU stuff, otherwise I'd find out on my own. Anybody here know if there's anything at all referring to him that's official at this point?
#12541 Obi5Kenobi, Jan 28, 2020
Obi5Kenobi said: ↑
No, Plagueis has no official species in canon yet. In legends he's a Muun.
#12542 NinjaRen, Jan 28, 2020
Porco Azzurro Jedi General
Yes, Plagueis is mentioned several times in James Luceno's Tarkin novel from 2014, for example this amazing passage... - it's of Sidious meditating, as he thinks of
Spoiler: a very interesting place
a hidden Sith shrine that was underneath the Jedi temple on Coruscant that only Sidious knew about at this point. The "they" who "they would one day work together" being Sidious and Vader.
[...] it was here that they would one day work together the way Sidious and Plagueis had to coax from the dark side its final secrets. In the intervening years he had actually come to appreciate Plagueis for the planner and prophet he had been. Such perilous machinations required two Sith, one to serve as bait for the dark side, the other to be the vessel.
That takes on more meaning after TRoS, yes?!
#12543 Porco Azzurro, Jan 28, 2020
With 628 pages maybe someone has already said it. Pretty sure. But here I am. Sorry.
Maybe Snoke was Plagueis all the time. That would have made a lot of sense.
But if you kill the character before exploring his backstory and all he has been involved, it's difficult to know the truth.
Maybe Plagueis could have appeared in 9 as the main villain as well, but would have been hard to believe if you have not shared previous hints of him in ST.
Episode 9 couldn't have been more difficult to develop, so am happy with the final result.
Hope to explore Plagueis in other projects. Plenty of time and projects to see him.
#12544 Madmartigan, Jan 28, 2020
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Madmartigan said: ↑
I would love to see a movie, dedicated to the training (and rise) of Palpatine, under the guidance of Plagueis. All we get, is how the Jedi hippies run around, lift rocks, and talk about their feelings. Time for some real hardcore training.
#12545 Deukaliwn, Jan 28, 2020
Madmartigan said:
Maybe Snoke was Plagueis all the time.
Welcome to 2014; I've been waiting for you homie-Wan.
#12546 Lord of the Rens, Jan 28, 2020
This, very much.
Plagueis being the main villain of the trilogy would be like Ahsoka saving the day in the end of TROS (in a more corporeal and focused way), or Kaz having a major role beside Poe.
I like when the multimedia stuff is added for flavor, but it should never be the main dish until it's properly introduced to movie fans.
While everyone who enjoys something about the series is definitely a "Star Wars Fan", I think there are clearly levels to how deep you are into the fandom, and Plageius, even with his ROTS mention, would be met with a pretty resounding "who?" by most general audiences, which would be pretty deflating to what would otherwise be a pretty wild moment.
#12547 cawatrooper, Jan 28, 2020
cawatrooper said: ↑
My $.02:
If Plagueis had been introduced in TFA then I think it could have worked, if done right. Maybe a flashback to Palpatine "killing" him and him transferring his soul into some object or something. Then explaining that it took a long time to return to physical form or make up something to explain why he's been out of commission for so long. Or even showing him come back to life right away and deciding to play the long game and remaining hidden and waiting for Palpatine to fall might work. But, introducing him into TROS with TFA and TLJ as they are now would be awkward and end up with that resounding "who?" you mentioned.
Obi5Kenobi said:
If Plagueis had been introduced in TFA then I think it could have worked, if done right.
EVERYONE would have shat in their pants if Kylo Ren had said: "Lord Plagueis" instead of Snoke during TFA.
PT haters would have had multiple aneurysms on their way to tweet out the spoiler and newbies would have been wookiepediaing their asses off.
"HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?" - would set the web on fire till 8 & 9 resolved the issue.
Clone Snoke means Plagueis and his clones were cast aside.
Also, Disney reasons do not concern me.
As for the oft-repeated nobody knew Plagueis argument, lol nobody cares about Snoke now.
Snazel Force Sensitive
If there was one singular strength to the ST it was that all our Snoke / Plagueis theories were ignored.
It won't stop fans on this site from concocting reams more.
#12550 Snazel, Jan 28, 2020
the thing is Plagueis wouldn't have felt forced or thrown in if the ST had been properly written and planned all along. you have a whole lore with The Whills and the inner workings of the force that could have been explored through the ST, as Lucas envisioned. a natural way to connect this thread to the entire saga would have been through Plagueis experiments and the creation of Anakin. you can have your new characters but make sure the vilian that was hinted at comes to full fruition, Luke is heavily involved and even Anakin in spirit form. start upping the stakes from Ep7 and make it obvious what's going on 8 onwards to set up a final showdown.
maybe it's just me but this seems like such a natural story, at least in the vilian department that both blows things wide open and brings it full circle by the end. what we got was a lame rehash with no sense of continuity, a middle part that didn't go anywhere then a mad panic and bolting on Palpatine when the Sith weren't even a factor till the last minute. no exploration of lore to make it feel grander beyond just space battles and the less said about Luke the better.
#12551 Supreme Leader, Feb 5, 2020
Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi Rebel Official
To be honest, Plagueis only had one brief conversation in ROTS, and I don't think that warranted his appearance. I am happy with Palpatine returning, however, they should have done a much better job in episodes 7 and 8 implying Sheev's return. The way it stands, it feels like Palpatine was thrown in because Lucasfilm is running out of recognizable actors to put on screen. If Snoke was revealed to be a clone puppet of Palpatine in episode 8, I would have been happy.
On a side note, I am saddened by Disney's continued lack of acknowledging the prequel trilogy. Anakin got only 1 or 2 lines in a saga in which he was a key player. So I don't think there was any chance at all Darth Plagueis would make an appearance.
#12552 Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi, Feb 5, 2020
Supreme Leader said:
A summation so nice, it's now been posted twice.​
#12553 Lord of the Rens, Feb 5, 2020
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I was hoping that Snoke would be revealed to be Plagueis. Very disappointed he was just a "engineered" puppet of the emperor
#12554 Kylethekollector, Feb 13, 2020
Man, it's crazy to look back at all this now that the trilogy's done. 600+ pages of speculation and analyzing about the identity of Snoke.
Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi said: ↑
I agree in regards to the topic of Plagueis. The scene really wouldn't have kept the impact it had had it turned out that Palpatine had failed to kill his own master. I've always thought of it more as a clever tool Palpatine used to seduce Anakin, while doubling as a neat bit of world building that made implications in regards to Palpatine's past a Sith.
In regards to build-up for Palpatine's return, I'm mixed. On the one hand, behind the scenes stuff indicates that Palpatine's return was strictly a response to Snoke's death by JJ, and wasn't exactly an idea shared by Trevorrow in previous versions of Episode IX. On the other hand, I can't totally discount John Williams' recycling of Palpatine's themes in both Episodes 7 & 8. Even if it wasn't intentional, it makes for some pretty fun foreshadowing as to Snoke's true identity in Episode IX. A "happy little accident", if you will.
#12555 TK-1204, Feb 13, 2020
Meister Yoda Your Little Green Friend
TK-1204 said: ↑
I agree in regards to the topic of Plagueis. The scene really wouldn't have kept the impact it had had it turned out that Palpatine had failed to kill his own master.
As I see it now, isn't it ironic how much Palpatine lied to Anakin in that scene? Because actually from what we know Plagueis did save his life and lives on in Palpatine after he struck him down. And in my interpretation I would even say that Plagueis is Palpatine or even Plagueis wasn't Plagueis from a certain point of view.
#12556 Meister Yoda, Feb 13, 2020
And in my interpretation I would even say that Plagueis is Palpatine or even Plagueis wasn't Plagueis from a certain point of view.
What do you mean ? It's early in the morning, and I'am still with only ~400ml of coffee, so go baby steps
Point taken, but we can't know if Palpatine was the first to discover this ritual, or the last in the line of other before him. He says 1000 Sith live in me, but there is another dimension to him; he came back from the dead; let's call this Ritual 2. Thus, the 1000 thing may be something that has to do with Ritual 2 exclusively, and nothing to do with Ritual 1.
Also, there is the Luke problem. If this was common practice among the Sith, and Palp could pull it off with Rey, then he surely could have with Luke. So, why did he have Vader block Luke's light saber ? If his goal was to be stricken down with anger, he would have allowed for Luke to kill him.