'Opposition' says NO to power share in Ukraine- Coup in process
The protestors were never peaceful.... The protestors only made demands.
The protestors do not want compromise. They want their way. Like petulant children.
Does this look to be peaceful protests?
Protesters lit tires aflame during clashes with riot police in Kiev.
Clashing with riot police? I don't see any clashing? I don't see any riot police? I just see people setting fires and damaging property. Is that protesting?
Opposition Says No to Ukraine on Power Share
In a striking concession ( huge concession) aimed at defusing Ukraine's civil uprising and preserving his own grip on power, President Viktor F. Yanukovych on Saturday offered to install opposition leaders in top posts in a reshaped government, but they swiftly rebuffed the offer.
Ever hear of such a thing? A government under siege from destabilizing forces offering a power share?
In the West we have despicable governments. And if protests occur they are crushed. Harshly.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada during G20- The police for the elites were cracking skulls and kettling.
They were abusing and molesting on a massive scale. And the protests were actual protests. Not attempted overthrows.
With mass protests spreading across the country, Mr. Yanukovych proposed one opposition figure, Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, as prime minister and another, the former boxing champion Vitali Klitschko, as vice prime minister for humanitarian affairs. Mr. Yatsenyuk is a leader of Fatherland, the party of Mr. Yanukovych's archrival, the jailed former prime minister, Yulia V. Tymoshenko.
"No deal," Mr. Yatsenyuk wrote on Twitter, addressing Mr. Yanukovych as thousands of angry protesters streamed to the still-occupied Independence Square, undeterred by the biting cold. "We're finishing what we started," he added. "The people decide our leaders, not you."
Mr Yatsenyuk- What people are deciding the leadership? EU and US leaders?
Certainly not Ukrainians? Do Ukrainians really want to be led by a bunch of destroyers?
In a speech from the stage on the square, and in a news conference afterward, Mr. Yatsenyuk expressed more flexibility, but insisted that the embattled president was no longer in a position to dictate the terms of a deal. "We have our conditions," he said, "not your conditions."
Mr Yatsenyuk is stringing the gullible masses along. Power sharing was the best opportunity, immediately available, to shape the future of the nation. He rejected it.
In a further complication, some of the most aggressive demonstrators are supporters of the nationalist Svoboda Party and its leader, Oleg Tyagnibok, who took part in the talks with Mr. Yanukovych but was not offered a position.
Mr. Klitschko, who leads a party called the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform, said that protesters would remain on the streets as negotiations continued.
Mr. Yanukovych's willingness to remove Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, who has been his staunch ally through the more than two-month-long civic uprising, underscored just how much pressure he has been facing to contain the crisis.
His offer came as protests continued to spread across the country on Saturday, with efforts to occupy or blockade government buildings underway in at least a dozen cities besides Kiev. In recent days, it has become increasingly clear that the elite Berkut riot police and other Interior Ministry troops are outnumbered and would face enormous challenges if asked to enforce a state of emergency.
Late Friday night, a fragile truce had disintegrated in Kiev and the city again was convulsed in violence.
In a move that suggested that his offers were more than theatrics aimed at dividing the opposition, Mr. Yanukovych also said he would be willing to roll back constitutional changes made at his direction that broadly expanded the powers of the presidency earlier in his term.
He also agreed to make changes to a package of new laws that severely suppress political dissent, including freedoms of speech and assembly, which Mr. Yanukovych's backers rammed through Parliament on Jan. 16. And he reiterated his offer to free all detained protesters who have not been charged with serious crimes.
At his news conference late Saturday, Mr. Yatsenyuk said talks with Mr. Yanukovych would continue. "We do not reject the offer," he said, "but we do not accept it."
The concessions were announced in a statement on the presidential website on Saturday after a negotiation session lasting more than three hours. The leadership changes were offered in a portion of the statement attributed to the minister of justice, Olena Lukash, who took part in the talks.
Ms. Lukash said that Mr. Yanukovych had also agreed to engage in a public debate with Mr. Klitschko, who has said he plans to challenge Mr. Yanukovych in the presidential election next year.
Mr. Yanukovych's offer also called for reshaping the Central Election Commission to give opposition parties more influence — a step that is seen as important to preventing election fraud, which has been a persistent problem in Ukrainian balloting.
Still, there seemed to be some strategizing in Mr. Yanukovych's proposal, by offering the prime minister post to Mr. Yatsenyuk, rather than to Mr. Klitschko, who is more popular in public opinion polls and is likely to pose a sharper challenge in next year's presidential campaign.
Even before the three opposition leaders could return to Independence Square from the talks at the presidential headquarters, violence flared in the main conflict zone, near the Dynamo soccer stadium. Tires were once again set ablaze on the street, and protesters clashed with special police units inside Ukraine House, a public conference center nearby.
Before offering the concessions, Mr. Yanukovych was pressed by two of the nation's wealthiest men, the so-called oligarchs who control Ukraine's industry and economy and also wield influence in Parliament. Both men warned, in separate statements, that Ukraine was in danger of splintering.
System Capital Management, a conglomerate owned by Ukraine's richest man, Rinat Akhmetov, regarded as a close ally of Mr. Yanukovych, issued a statement lamenting the loss of life in recent days and offering condolences.
"Business cannot keep silent when people are killed; a real danger of breakup of the country emerges; when a political crisis can lead to a deep economic recession and thus inevitably result in lower standards of living," the statement said. "It is only by peaceful action that the political crisis can be resolved. Any use of force and weapons is unacceptable."
Another billionaire, Petro Poroshenko, a member of Parliament who is viewed as a potential future presidential candidate, issued a statement calling on lawmakers loyal to Mr. Yanukovych to join with opposition leaders to reach a compromise.
"Ukraine has never faced such a big threat," Mr. Poroshenko said. "It's no longer a political crisis. It's a crisis of statehood. In danger are the lives of our fellow citizens, civil peace and territorial integrity."
"Anyone who fails to see it or denies it," he added, "is either blind or a provocateur." Mr. Poroshenko later appeared on the stage with the opposition leaders in Independence Square.
Protesters gathered in the freezing cold made no secret of their displeasure with Mr. Yanukovych's offer and their lack of trust in politicians, even those who have been leading the protest effort, like Mr. Yatsenyuk.
"If he accepts this offer, he will be a betrayer," said Volodymyr, declining to give his last name, an unemployed economist from the western city of Ivan-Frankivsk, who was wearing a helmet and respirator, common among those who have been at the center of clashes with the police. "If they accept it, they will all be political corpses," he said, Before word came of Mr. Yanukovych's concessions, opposition leaders had been bracing for a declaration of a state of emergency, which they warned would only lead to further bloodshed.
Saturday also brought news that a protester injured during battles with the police had died in a Kiev hospital, raising the confirmed death toll to four.
After Mr. Yanukovych backed away from the political and free trade agreements with Europe, he turned to Russia, which agreed to provide $15 billion in loans and discounts on natural gas to stave off an economic collapse that some experts warned was imminent. With its money on the line, Russia has also expressed consternation about the spreading protests.
On Saturday, mass demonstrations and sieges of public buildings spread to at least three more cities, with thousands of protesters occupying the regional administration building in Vinnytsia, a city in central Ukraine about 90 miles from the border with Moldova. Demonstrators also blocked a government building in Chernihiv, north of Kiev, near the border with Belarus, and held a large rally in Poltava, about 200 miles southeast of Kiev.
Those actions, combined with the violence in the capital, drew pleas — both domestically and from abroad — for calm and for a peaceful solution.
Adrian Karatnycky, an expert on Ukraine at the Atlantic Council of the United States, a research group, said that the opposition leaders would almost certainly want guarantees of changes to the Constitution before agreeing to any deal.
"This is a first offer from Yanukovych, a sign he has blinked," Mr. Karatnycky said. "The concessions Yanukovych has made are signs that his base wants to sue for peace. But the offer is not enough, as there is no trust in him."
Yanukovych should see the light right about now. He will never cede enough to these provocateurs.
He has been more then reasonable. What will he do next? What should he do next?
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Yanukovych Offers To Sacrifice Government, Opposition Demands More, as Violence Escalates in Ukraine
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twitter is on fire ovr this and it's waking some ppl up who 'thought' they already were awake.
And u should see this too from Romania should they protect Romanians if Ukraine goes to civil war ?
Had not translated the link yet when I just commented, sorry.
Penny January 27, 2014 at 8:03 AM
hey karin -arevordi and company (sarkis 86) translated that entire article
Penny, the following translation is from my Romanian-Armenian contact:
WORD BY WORD TRANSLATION
Ukraine On the Verge of Civil War. We are ready to defend the Romanians from North Bucovina, Herza and North and South Besarabia
(Note: North Bucovina and Herza formerly part of Austro Hungarian Empire until 1919 given to Romania and after WWII given to Ukraine. Besarabia was conquered by Romanians during WWII and Taken back by USSR after WWII. Now Republic of Moldova)
Ukraine is on the verge of civil war. Division of the country between pro European West and pro Russian East is not excluded. Is Romania ready to intervine and to defend the Romanians in the Chernovets region and in the South of Bsarabia (Rep of Moldova)? This (Moldova) is an artificial state with a history of only 24 years born on the ruins of the Soviet Union on which Romanian has territorial claims.
Ukraine might break in two in the near future. Led with violence by Yanukovich Administration it is in conflict with the opposition and is sliding towards the civil war.
This week, the violence in the capital spread towards the West,. The local administrations centers have been occupied by the opposition in many regional centers. Friday, in Chernovets 1000 people attacked the regional administration . The president, Mihai Gainicheru, was hit in the head during the conflict. The Governor, Mihail Papiev was evacuated by the police.
The protesters took the power at the local level in Chernovets and created the" National Council of Bucovina", composed of the members of the opposition and NGOs. The President Victor Yanucovich, announced a restructuring of the Government and announced special laws against protesters.
The opposition does no give up its request that Yanucovoch resign and institute free elections. As appears, the reconcilement between the two blocks is almost impossible but the geopolitical specialists eliminate the possibility of breaking the country in two. But this will not occur peacefully.
But in a situation like this isn't that the Romanian Government should interfere to defend the Romanians leaving in Ukraine? Russia is for sure is going to defend its ethnic population. As they are doing in Caucasus for 20 years.
The Romanian Government should not exclude (the possibility) , on the contrary to get ready for the possibility in case the situation becomes imminent and intervention becomes necessary, inclusive a military one in the North Bucovina (present Ukraine) region of Herza,North and South od Basarabia (Rep of Moldova and why not the Transilvania (North West of Romania a territory claimed by Hungary ) when the Ukrainan state would not be able to maintain the public order in the territories populated by Romanians.
The population of these territories would benefit from auto determination. As Russia is going to defend its ethnic population is the Romanian Government ready to intervine to defend the Romanians for Cheranutsi and South Basarabia?
I couldn't get translate to work for me
so was grateful for their help
It looks as if yah, Romania is saying they should protect their citizens in the Ukraine
that could get messy..
brian January 26, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Orthodox priests standing between Ukrainian protesters and Ukrainian police forces, praying for peace.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=644440132268360&set=a.247971805248530.54714.247672621945115&type=1&theater
notice their backs are too the police!
the priests likely figure the police won't knife them in the back or whack them in the head
on the other hand it is anyone's guess with the protestors
james January 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM
Yanukovych must be out of his mind!!!
As for Yatsenyuk saying, "The people decide our leaders, not you", the people have already decided, at the last elections!
hey james
yah it's crazy isn't it?
we are sold that elections are the greatest, get out and vote, blah, blah, blah
but here Yanukovych wins the election just a few years back and that isn't good enough?
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