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"For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest…" (Part 1)
Posted by churchwatcher in C3 & Pringles Associations
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"… nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light." – Jesus, Luke 8:17
INFORMATION PRINGLE DOES NOT WANT LEAKED TO THE MEDIA…
On the 9th of June in a Sunday morning service last year, Phil Pringle blacked out his stage cameras to report on issues regarding the Kong Hee scandal. C3 members leaked information to C3 Church Watch as to what Pringle said in the media black out.
What Is Phil Pringle Trying To Hide? *Update 3* (03-07-2013)
Last year we had Phil Pringle request his church attend a private Tuesday night meeting after the typical C3 prayer meeting. He made the below announcement on Sunday morning, the 3rd of November, 2013.
Is Pringle Distancing Himself From Kong Hee & Sun Ho?
How did we come across this Tuesday night meeting? C3CW only found about this meeting when their readership spiked the week after the meeting happened. So they decided to tune into the previous week's online sermon to see what Phil Pringle might have said about them. Whatever was said at that Tuesday night meeting caused C3 leaders and members to come visit the C3CW website. As a result of this meeting, people have since talked to C3 Church Watch as to what was said by Phil Pringle.
They informed C3CW that Pringle mentioned their website by name and they disclosed other information as to what was said at that meeting. C3CW were also informed by C3 people as to what was said in that meeting about Kong Hee. They have started to question how involved Pringle was with Kong Hee's issues. According to some of these sources, Pringle appeared to be distancing himself from the conduct of Kong Hee's approach to the building fund. C3CW also received a loose transcript from what was said at that meeting from someone else who attended. That C3 member attempted to recount what Pringle said about their correspondence with Kong Hee:
PP: Don't do anything illegal.
KH: That's alright. We can do that in Singapore.
PP: You couldn't do [any of?] that in Sydney. You couldn't take money out of the building fund.
After analysing the various discussions, C3CW were able to confirm that these numerous C3 members statements were saying very similar things.
And now I am expressing my concerns as a C3 member about C3 Leaders and what was said in that Tuesday night meeting.
There is no transparency at C3.
Ask yourself this question: whose names are C3 properties registered in? Is it in Phil Pringle's name or some special entity which Phil Pringle and his closest associates totally control? After all it's the church members who have financed the properties with their giving over many years. As yet C3 members have no idea how the ownership of the assets of the church are structured. Phil Pringle late last year after a Tuesday night Prayer meeting at the Connect Leaders meeting (held immediately after the Prayer Meeting), said in that meeting that he would be releasing the Church Financial accounts to members in early 2014. Absolutely nothing has been released to date. I think he is hoping all those present have forgotten the statement he made about Church accounts. Again just spin and misleading statements from Phil Pringle. The C3 property and financial structure issue needs to be investigated and may even be worth approaching some journos to fully investigate these matters.
Phil Pringle again at that Connect Group Leaders meeting in my opinion, basically misled church leaders about the CHC/Kong Hee legal case.
WHAT ELSE WAS SAID ON THAT TUESDAY NIGHT MEETING?
At that Tuesday night meeting on the 5th of November, Phil Pringle talked about his involvement with Kong Hee in Singapore.
From memory Phil Pringle said that he told Kong Hee that C3 would not be allowed to do what CHC did regarding the crossover project from the C3 building fund. I think he also talked about the Singapore governments persecution against Kong Hee.
I believe Phil Pringle was making a connection to the C3 building fund. From memory Phil Pringle said to Kong Hee that in Australia, C3 could not use their Building fund to do something like the crossover project that Kong Hee was doing. From memory, I think Pringle said that Kong Hee was asking him for advice on what Kong Hee was planning to do regarding crossover. I think Pringle then said that Kong Hee then decided to move forward with the Crossover project, even though Pringle said they couldn't do anything like that in Australia. I am pretty sure it was not recorded as Phil Pringle said all this after a Tuesday night prayer meeting (which carried over then into a connect group leaders meeting where he said these things).
WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN C3 LEADERSHIP?
I know that when some C3 pastors are asked about Kong Hee or Yonggi Cho, they usually plead ignorance, or they say they don't know much about what is going on. However I think they have been instructed to plead ignorance or spin the official C3 church line when confronted by questions from C3 members. I know this has happened to church members. Furthermore, Phil Pringle has told Church members not to look at C3 Churchwatch on the net.
I am sure some C3 Church Pastors do believe in Transparency, and Governance. Pastors and numerous members are fully aware of the global press articles on the Yonggi Cho Korean situation and the CHC Singapore court case. News globally these days over the internet is available instantaneously. I believe there is some underground disapproval of what is happening in the Singapore and Korean situations within the C3 Church community.
What continually gets to me is the lack of transparency and governance of Phil Pringle. My pastor's mentor Yonggi Cho has been convicted for mishandling church funds. My pastor's underling, Kong Hee, copied my pastor's Building Fund program and is now in trouble over how he has handled building fund money. And now Phil Pringle is saying that Kong Hee's Building fund is done in a different way to his own? Are we to believe him at face value?
It was Phil Pringle that said,
"Kong Hee in Singapore picked up [my] idea and he calls his 'Rise and Build' and just takes the whole thing, copies it exactly and raises sixty million US for- and he paid it debt free for his building there in- in Singapore". [Source]
Don't forget this comment from Kong Hee:
"Ah- I thought I'm gonna show you a video. This is our 'Rise and Build' video and- Many people come to City Harvest Church and they look at our church. Look at our pulpit. Our Rise and Build. And they say, "Hey! Why is it that in Australia they kinda copy after you?"Well actually we came here and copied everything from Christian City Church. So we have our own Rise and Build and I just thought I show you this latest installment where we anounced to our church, SunTec City Convention Center." – Kong hee, C3 Presence Conference, Session 4, Sydney, 2010. [Source]
I would like to point out some interesting articles that establish that the C3 financial structures within it's movement aren't that ethical (I will publish this article soon). Still Phil Pringle urges us to trust him? He needs to prove he can be transparent first.
24 thoughts on ""For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest…" (Part 1)"
newtaste said:
"INFORMATION PRINGLE DOES NOT WANT LEAKED TO THE MEDIA".
You are still under the false impression that any Australian media outlet is the slightest bit interested in Pringle. If you have any hard evidence, then go to the media yourself. If there indeed is anything then the media would be interested. Posting anonymous reports that are being read by a very small audience is not even remotely having Pringle in the media spotlight.
churchwatcher said:
Newtaste – "Posting anonymous reports that are being read by a very small audience…"
You might reconsider that question if you actually knew the viewing stats of this site. At the end of the day, it's not about the media. It's about full disclosure to a misled congregation. And giving that congregation the opportunity to make INFORMED decisions about what is appropriate and biblical.
I'd actually be interested in seeing these statistics. Does C3CW have transparency?
Andy Botwin – like a little more "weed"? Then you'll be seeing statistics "growing" all over the house! 🙂
Annette said:
Churchwatcher, you didn't answer Andrew's question. Then you mocked him for, obviously smoking marijuana. That's a bit of a low blow, and a diversion tactic. Just answer the question!
Annette – the mocker is "Andy Botwin". We will call out those who use deliberately false pseudonyms. One of the privileges of being a moderator is exposing trolls, especially when we do get to see their email addresses. A quick google is a really helpful tool, even for those who don't "smoke marijuana" or watch "Weeds".
Sorry Churchwatcher. Didn't realise he was a troll.
squidaloopa said:
Hey Andrew – building our case on lies or misleading information would be a bit misleading, right?
And Newtaste – if current affairs shows are interesting in Hillsong's financial accountability, and chasing some dodgy landlord who has affected one or two families, why wouldn't they go after a worldwide business/denomination whose financial transparency is questionable??
It also leaves you questioning:
1 – Was the banter about "you can't take that money from the building fund" meant to authenticate the Crossover Project was actually for evangelism?
2 – Even if #1 is correct, what were Kong's own motives – evangelism or wife career push?
Amused said:
From what I've read, it is illegal in Singapore to solicit charitable donations for a particular purpose and then spend the funds so acquired on something else. That would be why the judge in Kong's case found that the defendants have a case to answer, and why he specifically stated that they have clearly been dishonest in their handling of the money.
Of course, from the moment that the judge handed down his ruling couched in such direct terms, the defence of Kong and his malfeasant mates has been a lost cause – a sad rearguard action where the defendants will struggle to minimise their own culpability, and will even turn on each other in their desperation to avoid the consequences of their crimes. Along with everyone else who is even remotely acquainted with the details of this sorry affair, the judge is under no illusions as to just what has transpired – well, almost everyone: Phil Pringle still can't bring himself to tell his followers the truth, and he seems determined to hold out to the very last.
Hey Phil, do you still read this website? I bet you do – you just can't help yourself, can you? Are you getting a little nervous yet, mate? Have you got your "plan B" all sorted out and ready to go? No doubt you've already drafted a spiel about how Kong is a "martyr for the cause" who has been "persecuted by the Singaporean government". Will you have a special meeting Phil, with special prayers for Kong (it would be a chance to squeeze some more money out of your people, which would be just too good to miss, wouldn't it)? Oh, I can see it now: the lights are dimmed, the discordant cacophony of your anointed "music" reaches its ear-splitting peak, the enraptured crowd sways in ecstasy, you raise your right hand to "prophesy", and … oh dear me, I've come over all faint and I think I need to have a lie down – is that the "anointing", Phil? I have seen the light, Phil: I believe and know that you are truly a man of God, sent by Him to lead us all into a wonderful revival by the overflow of His Spirit. I believe, I can feel it in my heart – I BELIEVE!
Can you teach me how how to take up an offering now Phil?
Auztin said:
Hello AmuZed – it just occurred to me that maybe some of Kong's "disciples" weren't "tithing" and that his has brought a curse down on CHC – just like Phil said it would…
@Auztin,
Sharkey said:
I think the latest news is that Kong Hee may have been tithing to the CHC multi purpose account (that is the CHC "Slush Fund") where it seems money was transferred secretly for shall we say secret purposes for the benefit of Kong Hee and wife.
DIzzy said:
I though all the property was in a family trust? When we asked PP to see the books he said no problem – it never happened the second time I asked I was told I had an unteachable spirit!
Bolger said:
"phil, have you got your 'plan B' all sorted out and ready to go?"
plan B will include another one of phil's "we love you kong" videos.
this time phil will dramatically compare kong's suffering to paul of tarsus.
After rereading the main article post again, it is obvious to 'blind Freddy' that not only has Kong copied Phil's 'format', it's also obvious that Phil will deny at every turn, that he influenced Kong in any way. Kong will be left flapping in the breeze like an old shredded and faded flag, languishing on a pole… being 'persecuted'…
Phil's "plan B" may well be leaving town for an offshore destination, at least until the 'heat' is off. Newtaste suggests that the media machine here in Oz isn't interested in C3 and its overseas minions…
I would suggest that the media may not have seen enough hard core evidence (church books of account etc,) for them to run a front page story, or a TV special – not yet – but it must be getting awfully close to that – and thus the need for a 'plan B' or an "exit strategy" – perhaps to a depopulated South Sea Island.
Perhaps the Bank of Nauru could do with the funds, or maybe Phil and Co would like to invest in 'detention centres' – they seem to be a growing business at this point in time? Or maybe he'll just use his spare cash to advance the empire and 'grow the brand'!
Speculation? Where there is a pattern, there is usually a purpose, and that is no speculation at all. These leopards cannot change their spots, for they are born with them…
Whatever he does with everybody else's money, you can bet your bottom $ that you won't see the money accounted for, but you might see more 'cloned' Hillsongs, rebadged as C3's, popping up all over the place – now there's a plan…
"…..perhaps to a depopulated South Sea Island"
Is Phil returning to New Zealand?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha 😆😆😆😆
KiwiPirate said:
NOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo !!!!!
@squidaloopa – perhaps we can look forward to "The Land of the Long White Cloud" conference next year, as Phil generates enough smoke in NZ to actually hide behind? I'm not saying that Phil would hide out for any length of time, just long enough to buy a passage to the US or Europe., after the heat was off…
NZ would be a bad choice anyway, as friends of mine who have ministered there on and off for the last 9 years, reported to me recently that many COC and other 'similar brands' have closed their church doors, never to return.
There's been lots of division, and in some cases, even the sons of pastors taking whole youth groups down the road and starting again. One wonders just what the outcomes will be of such moves, and it really does depend on the motives of these very young leaders… but many of the older more established Charismatic style 'churches' have apparently folded.
Perhaps the church population is finally waking up to these manifest deceptions and man made organisations at last… so there's still hope for similar closures over here – in the mean time, we can either find a decent church, or start one that is honouring to God, and has a heart for the sheep…
Let's all hope that we will live long enough to see an end of these false prophets and their blatant Mega church scams… enough is enough…
If you are "looking on" from Singapore or even Sydney or elsewhere, maybe it's time for many of you to 'move on' as well – don't be deceived into supporting a "church" that has openly deceived you either…
Find a decent church family and settle into that part of the flock, if you can…
@Auztin:
"I'm not saying that Phil would hide out for any length of time, just long enough to buy a passage to the US or Europe., after the heat was off…"
I.e. – Long Service Leave 👍👍
Jim Styles said:
"As I said months ago, human nature being what it is, telling people NOT to do something results in the opposite happening."
Perhaps many more C3 & CHC congregants are following this site, than one might initially think. I would be curious how many have stopped placing tithes into the CHC "law fund", after ignoring their sleazy party line, and getting more details here and elsewhere. I have occasionally pulled up Singapore online news to see what they say and to watch Singapore news clips too,
Jim Styles
If you are observing from Auckland, NZ and want to go to a Christ honouring Church where the Pastor preaches Jesus and not himself, then leave a note here and I can point you in the right direction.
Albert said:
My friend;
"So, Last year (2013), Phil made a promise during a Tuesday night Prayer meeting at the Connect Leaders meeting (held immediately after the Prayer Meeting), and said in that meeting that he would be releasing the Church Financial accounts to members in early 2014.
And, absolutely nothing has been released to date. I think he is hoping all those present have forgotten the statement he made about Church accounts".
Dear C3church member/s, you are absolutely right, "Dr" Phil is counting on it, that you have forgotten his promise. And I think you will be waiting and waiting and waiting until the "cows come home".
I am almost 100% sure, that It is not his intention to release those financial accounts to any one and much less to the whole congregation, for whatever his, and his' "inner circle" motives might be.
I know this, because of some people that I have known for some time, or I have met some time ago and who are still, or more likely had been members of C3Church, had approached some "senior minister/s" "pastors", (not Phil, because I was told that Phil never is available just for anyone), to find out or to make some enquiries, in regards to their financial contributions to the church (not talking small ones), and how these are being used. I believe that in some circumstances, the response of these "senior ministers" or "pastors" was not even a polite one, much less a Christian-like one, but the opposite.
They were told to find another church, because they were causing disunity among the congregation.
If you my friend/s; who told me your story and by accident are reading this, tell us your full story.
theausgaz said:
Strait Times reported that,so far, legal fees for Kong and the gang,are $10,000,000. I wonder how much of this was pimped by Pringle to help Kong Hee 'prove his innocence'? pringle has poured a huge amount of his dumb sheeple's money down the drain. I've followed every day of the trial and before the trial for a long time, and an ex CHC member gave me a big box of all CHC brainwashing magazines. Friends , from the beginning Kong Hee had one main goal. That was to brainwash his cult members with the Cultural Mandate so that he could use their money to make his wife famous. Kong was expecting a big monetary harvest for himself when she made it big time on other people's money. This whole thing is one of the crimes of the century. It's huge. Mavis Chionh (Spore DPP):-" Kong Hee is a well practised liar". Unfortunately for Pringle the guy he has mentored has done more damage to the cause of Christ than anyone else in history. In essence Pringle is the one who created this damage and has put hundreds of millions of souls off the Kingdom of God and salvation.
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