Westbrook Out with torn meniscus
Wow! Shocking. I think this series will get ugly. Look out for a bunch of flagrant fouls on Saturday.
snowywbl April 26, 2013 at 10:18 AM
jdchong April 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM
they pointing it in bevs game 2 playthat particular hassle ?even in tweeter?and jeremy didnt practice today?beverly is the starting point guard?
wow, I'm speechless.
Cara April 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Although Westbrook is currently Lin's opponent, I really feel bad for him, especially he got injured on such a cheap move by this D League scrub Beverley.
I remember that Lin's also got hurt last year on a very dirty move by Jason Kidd. So I would understand the bad feelings by the Thunder and the fans.
Boo-hoo
what was the play that Lin got injured last year?
ABC Baller April 26, 2013 at 10:27 AM
I bet no OKC fans are criticizing him for being "scared" and afraid to play through pain at 85% ...
I think it was a hard foul by Darren Collison on a driving layup attempt vs. Indiana Pacers at MSG. Hard to say exactly when the injury happened because playing through it makes the condition worse.
tru4111068 April 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM
First off learn the name Patrick Beverly because he's no scrub. Second Patrick is no dirty player, he's just playing harder than his competition. I'm trully sorry for what happened to Russell West brook but if you want to talk dirty analyze the two games played so far. You'll wonder way half the OKC team hadn't been hit with techs and why more Rockets haven't been injured. #GoRedNation#
Dystopia1980 April 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Cara, you are sounding like the type of Lin fan that makes people hate on Lin fans.
Beverley is not a "D League scrub." He just posted 16 points and 12 rebounds last game, and has been a net positive player most of the season.
We all know how often Lin has been called the same thing, you should be better than to stoop to that same level against another player who is just doing his job and is a good teammate to Jeremy.
Don't mind cara. She is on her periods.
Damn Solidz75, you're on a FLAME ROLL today.
O_O April 26, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Solidz, what are u on today? Pills?
@ABC Baller right on. And no one will said he's soft and injured prone too.
No lydia, I'm OFF my pills.
ntt April 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM
LoL! patrick "tonya harding" beverley.
ztrta April 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM
It seems like Morey and McHale, AS USUAL, are trying to prove to the world that the Rockets backup point guards (at first Douglas, then Beverley) are better than Jeremy Lin (I've *predicted* and posted it that it'll happen more in the playoffs, due to all games nationally televised..... Let's see, how did I guess? LOL). Thus, I hope Lin doesn't play in game #3 IF HE ISN'T HEALTHY ENOUGH. And if he does play, I hope the Thunder don't take out Russell's injury on Lin, who had nothing to do with the injury (I hope not to Bev either - was not intentional. Thunder have goons for playing dirty ).
To Morey and McHale: Stop trying to mask Lin's team-play superiority to Beverley by playing them TOGETHER ALL THE TIME. Let each point guard (the combo guard Harden, Lin, Beverley) play with both starters, as well as with the reserve group. At the very least, don't let Lin and Beverley play together: UNLESS YOU SEPARATE THOSE 2 POINT GUARDS (let them play against the same opposing team with the same roster strength), THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCURATELY TELL WHO IS THE BETTER POINT GUARD between Lin and Beverley (I don't care how you've perceived them in team practices - which I've not heard, but Lin referred to Beverley as "a freak of nature" as a compliment).
During the regular season, We have seen time and time again (maybe 75 to 85% ??) when Lin was either taking a breather or benched (and backups, either Douglas or Beverley was on the court), the Rockets lead shrank to nothing or if they were trailing, their deficit widened. Occasionally, their lead temporarily remained or even went up a little and whenever that happened, McHale left the backups on the court way too long (in effect treating them like the starters and treating Lin like a backup) and that's how the Rockets LOST SEVERAL GAMES during the regular season (maybe between 6 to 8 games lost that way)!!! Those games really showed people that Lin is indeed a starting caliber PG, so McHale stopped Lin and Beverley from playing *separately* for the past 2 months or so it seems. Also, McHale lost at least several more games because of his inability to make in-game adjustments; they lost too many close and overtime games.
You've been Thunder struck!
KHuang April 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM
I watched those plays, and it didn't seem that Beverley hit Westbrook all that hard.
I'll say this though: Beverley's SLOW reaction time caused him to barrel into Westbrook on both plays.
Personally, I thought that Westbrook was KILLING HIMSELF to get through and over Jeremy Lin's athleticism. It was a lot like the Derrick Rose thing where Rose overexerted himself.
TVN April 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM
KHuang, please stop your nonsense. You must be living in a different world than the rest of us are. You didn't even see the game and you rarely see any games.
Flametroll, you can see the hits on youtube.
You're such an IDIOT and a HATER.
Let's fight some more. Come at me, TVN!!!
Phil Hwang April 26, 2013 at 11:08 AM
After Lin cleanly blocked Rose's shot last year from behind, Rose was out for two weeks.
I totally get why you hate it when Lin does well, TVN.
I remember last season when you were HATING ON LIN, saying that he wasn't good enough to play in the NBA and that everybody here who was saying he would succeed was an idiot.
You saw Lin play in high school, and from that you concluded that Lin had absolutely no shot at EVER succeeding in the NBA. And don't you even accuse me of twisting your words, not after all the flames you fired at Lin's fans here for recognizing Lin's NBA potential.
Lin's been PUNKING YOUR TROLL ASS for years, and so you're pissed off. That's why you only show up to post flames at Lin and Lin's fans here whenever Lin doesn't have a great game.
Face it, TVN. You were DEAD WRONG about Lin being incapable of playing in the NBA, you hater.
Beverley is just a scrub who hustles hard now because he's fighting for a new contract and to stay in the nba. He has few actual basketball skills whatsover. This kind of guy who only knows to play on one speed won't survive in the nba for very long. He reminds me of Norris Cole of the Heat whose only career highlight was some steals against Lin last year. Beverley on the other hand got his career game against Westbrook.
Khuang I agree with TVN. You r off your tockets. Lin to Minn? I usually let things go. But I'm just flabbergasted how I can make such a ridiculous claim and how some people are buying it here.
@Cara:
Calling him a scrub is a bit much. Beverly is a legitimate backup point guard. I actually like him a lot better than Toney Douglas, who isn't even a point guard, but was willing to steal money pretending to be one because he knew that he was too short to make it in the NBA as a shooting guard.
Yes, he is playing for a contract. So was Lin last year during Linsanity. (Not comparing Lin to Beverly in terms of ability. Lin is much, much better than Beverly). But when he settles down, he will be a better PG than a lot of teams have, including what the Rockets had for most of the season.
With Lin, Harden and Beverly, the Rockets' backcourt is set. That is a good thing, because it allows them to focus on the frontcourt. Hopefully they will get a backup swingman who is from 6'5"-6'7" who can back up both SG and SF and is a great defensive player on the depth part. That way they could push Harden without taking minutes away from Lin. With a guy like that and also with Beverly able to play with Lin in the lineup at the same time, that would really be a way to put pressure on harden to defend and pass better next year.
You agree with TVN that I didn't see Bev hit Westbrook on youtube?
You're also a goddamn flame troll too then, Solidz75. You're stupider than I had realized.
And my MN trade was meaningless trade speculation, just like the Lakers trades that never happened this season. Only you would feel personally offended by trade scenarios.
TVN said I didn't see those clips, solidz75. By agreeing with him that I didn't see those videos, you just outed yourself as another DUMBASS FLAME TROLL. Those hits are on youtube to see, you stupid hater!
exel April 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM
@Cara, why all the hate towards Beverley. All people were saying that Lin was "a scrub who hustles hard now because he's fighting for a new contract and to stay in the nba."
Beverley was floating around Europe playing in various league. He got an opportunity to play in the NBA and he's making the most of it, playing his style of ball. Would it make it you feel better if he totally washed out and got cut from the NBA? Give him a break.
He played a great playoff game against OKC. We need more Rocket players to step up if we want to see them make it to the next round and to continue to see Jeremy show the world his skills.
You agreed with TVN that Lin had no chance of making the NBA, let alone succeed in it Solidz75?
You don't know crap about basketball if you're one of those Lin bandwagoners who was gleefully flaming Lin fans during Linsanity the way TVN was a year ago, Solidz75.
I'm talking about TVN saying you are off your rockers today.
I just can't get over the fact that u think Minn would want Lin. Just can't get my head around that. Sorry. Nope. Can't. Just can't.
You never know Solidz75. It seems like Khan collects PG's like Morey collects PF's.
Omg, u know how ridiculous of a notion that is? Is khuang brainwashing u guys? Think people. Think!
Jesus, let it go, @Solidz75. Sometimes people have different opinions from you. Get over it. You're being an ass.
Wahhhhhhhh.
eb5attorney April 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM
I watched the replay, and Bev's left hip came at a certain ankle and swiped WB's knee while pushing it hard. Yeah, that was pretty hard. The suddenness of the impact, added to the angle, I could see why WB got injured. Bev should have been given a technical for fouling WB after a time-out had been called. No dirty foul but dumb foul for sure.
Why is it such a crime for me to speculate that Houston MIGHT have an interest in Minnesota's Nikola Pekovic and could POSSIBLY use Lin and Asik to get him?
It's just stinkin' speculation, not a personal attack of Solidz75.
Jeez, Solidz75 is acting like he's got a PERIOD or someting.
Jonathan April 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Seemed like a bang-bang play, Beverly going for a steal while Westbrook going for the nonchalant timeout. Sh!t happens move on. JLin had to recover from his injury last year so Westbrook has to recover from his next year.
whistle blew before bev even made a move. reckless.
tru4111068 April 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM
ntt sounds like a Rocket hater. That's it. Ur a hater...
ntt April 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM
denying basic facts that the whistle blew before bev made a move makes you what? delusional? a liar? reckless apologist? ;)
It's the playoffs. Let's talk about the elbow that Perkins gave Harden or the blow to the face that Lin took from West brook. We won't because ur a hater. It was unfortunate it happened so get over it. Hater!!!!!
Jonathan April 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM
I am JLin supporter and I am actually a long time Laker fan. So from my perspective the Lakers season was technically over when Kobe got hurt. So teams just have to deal with the cards that have been dealt and play ball. The Thunder have Durantula going forward, what has been done is done.
So? Cause it's playoff, so everything should forgive? With that said, I don't think Bev do it intentionally.
oh yeah, let's not talk about injuring a star player on a reckless play AFTER the whistle blew. i'd rather be a realist than a pathetic injury causing apologist LOL.
Man, I thought Lin had it bad. People are ripping bev apart on twitter. So much hate..
oh man game 3 just got more exciting!!! wow now PB will understand what Lin goes thru often. One moment everyone loves you and praising you, next thing you know, they're calling for your head. Wow, but I still Lin gets it bad, really bad...
But idk this may turn the tide in the game, we'll see....
If it was Lin who got hurt by PB with the same play, everyone will praise PB's effort and bash Lin's handle. WB just have more protection from media and fans.
Brent, people would be saying Lin is too frail because he's Asian.
That's what they were all saying last year when he had that surgery, and now with that bruised chest.
Even people on this site are infected with Lin haterade, openly writing that he isn't tough enough physically or mentally.
Lin is an after thought at this point. Everyone outside Houston is calling for bev's head. I'm sure if Lin was involved, there would be racist stuff up the wazoo. Then again, Lin would never do such unnecessary play. I just hope OKC players dont take out Lin.
I find it a little funny. OKC took out Rox's PG, Lin and now Rox have taken out their PG..... I think at the end of the day OKC will attempt to take Lin or Harden out.
But OKC isnt that dirty right?
lxy April 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM
@ Solidz75
IF Lin had injured Westbrook, social media and fans would be blowing up with racist epithets against Lin.
In some ways, it's fortunate that Lin was not in against Westbrook, I guess.
But like I said, it would be uncharacteristic of Lin to do that. That was such a "Beverley" play.
Solidz75 you aren't solid at all. Your comments are week, like a house built on a sand foundation. Patrick Beverly has only displayed playoff intensity. As a matter of fact when he gives a hard foul he always attempts to help a fellow player and when he's hit hard, he always let's the player that did it know that it's cool. If you want to talk character and dirty play analyze the play off OKC. #GoRedNation#
Dude u know how to read? When did I say it was a dirty or intentional play? I actually said the opposite.
It was an overzealous play- something that describes bev's intensity.
Freakjing read before you criticize.
KietChayrox April 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Lin is bashed by his own team fans, while Beverley is bashed by opponents fans. There is the difference.
At Solid75 I read it. You just didn't say it. My bad...
@kiet, right on! If it's Lin, expect no same mercy for Lin like they do for Bev.
@richlovejr: I hope that Patrick Beverly gets a groin tear or torn acl. Amateur players playing college ball in the NBA (not professional).
@TheBuzo: Coming from a Rockets fan, that was a dirty & unnecessary play by Patrick Beverly
@RonStoppables: Omg Patrick Beverly knew exactly where Russell's meniscus was aligned. He had the right angle on the collision. That play was dirty
It shows that ur an idiot every time you type/speak...
And ur alone....
Umm do u know twitte and how it works?
OKC (Parkins, the thuggish goon) deliberately injured the Rockets vilified (by his own GM & coach) and team difference maker Jeremy Lin, so that McHale would run more iso for Harden #1 and Parsons #2 much to the delight of the phenom Serge Ibaka..... Now OKC are vilifying Beverley for what is considered a routine play. I get that a whistle was blown before that, so it was unnecessary. BUT the attempted steal play from Russell was ROUTINE. I'm getting scared of all the dirty plays that might ensue. I am a chicken.
Why isn't anyone on here talking about Lin's slow recovery? He didn't practice today and will be a game time decision on Saturday.
I thought you guys said his injury wasn't serious?! This is more maddening than anything else.
He needs to suck it up and play. He just got hot hard on the chest.
Would he not play with a bad arm bruise. I want him to come out and try to play. If he can't then he can't. But show the world you are not a gigantic wimp. It's a freaking chest bruise Jeremy! Suck it up and play!
Sesshie April 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM
It's not serious but it does take time to heal. The location of the injury also affects a large range of his movement that's required to play basketball, like running, raising his arm to defend & shoot, etc. If he's in pain, he won't be effective on the court thus should not play.
Nope he should try to go. If he is stinking it up then McHale can pull him. He said it was the spasms that kept him in. Take a bunch of motrins.. A shot of toradol and try to give it a go. Everyone is hurting in the playoffs.
This is not a fracture or a year. No reason he shouldn't try to play.
snowywbl April 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM
maybe McHale wants to rest him for game 4.
Maybe soft75 should take a long walk off a short pier.
No I will take a short walk off the long pier.
I think it will be a very physical and emotionally charged game tomorrow. I rather JLin sit out the game and not play through the pain because there will be more bumps and shoves that might aggravate the injury.
Waaaaaaaah. That is such a p***y move if Jeremy did that. If he was my teammate, he would lose respect.
If he can move his arm u play. That's the type if mentality Lin needs to have.
Professional diehard "bad" Lin fan. Part time troll and a hater.
Ha, ha. I agree that the play was such a "Bev" play, too eager and not thinking. However, no dirty intention there, and I am sure Bev is a nice guy.
A lot of Houston fans are probably secretly happy about Westbrook's injury, as the Rockets now have a chance of winning the series.
And some people probably would make Beverley the Rockets' MVP, if only for taking out...I mean accidentally injuring Westbrook.
TN4 April 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM
Spurs fan would be happy, they don't have any guilty feeling. I think most Houston fans will feel sad, I still don't think Rox could win the series without WB anyway, it is not like Rox could benefit too much from it. And even they win in Gm 3 or Gm 4, it would not feel as good as last game. And if we loose, it would feel really bad. Anyway, I don't like this. I was truely wish Rox would win with a good fight.
BTW, I wish Jeremy sit out in gm 3......
ABC Baller April 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM
I actually think Rockets have a less of chance now.
@MitchellBrwn: Patrick Beverly, I'm coming to kill you.
That's it. But U get the idea. This is crazy. Feel bad for the dude. If nba is serious about curbing violence, need to watch OKC players closely for fouls. But more than likely they will call foul after foul on the Rox players.
Crazy n silly people. U gonna kill some one because of that? What is wrong with people nowadays.
TN4 April 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
See some people talking about this Beverley's play was intentional. Since after he bumped WB, he didn't even look back and see what happened. Wouldn't that normally after you bump into somebody you would look back and check it out?
Unnecessary? Yes
Dirty play? No
Intentional? No
Sesshie April 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM
It was a low percentage steal attempt because OKC was going to call a time-out. However, I think Beverley did it anyways to maintain his intensity and defensive mindset, as well as try to irritate WB a bit, but he didn't intend to cause any injury. But overall it was unnecessary and also risky for his own body as well.
@ Solidz I see Jeremy try to steal the ball in that kind of situation a lot too, but when you try to steal, you don't rush towards people, you try to go around them, right? Beverley run into WB hard, really hard
I mean there is an unwritten rule that u don't try to do those things when u know they are about to call a timeout. It was an unnecessary and over zealous play on bev's part.
But bev us tough. I think he will come out swinging. Lin ? It remains to be seen. I'd be very disappointed if he doesn't try to play thru a bruise.
I mean imagine you got punched really hard on the arm. Nothing broken hurts like hell. Shouldn't u try to play? It's not like u r risking a year or something okaying thru that,
@FisolaNYDN: I'm not saying that was a dirty play by the Rockets Patrick Beverley on Russell Westbrook but it was a bull-you-know-what-play.
@FisolaNYDN: It was the kind of play that if the NBA were like the NHL, Patrick Beverley would be required to put up his dukes at the opening tap.
Verbal Xpressions April 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM
The only thing I want to see happen, is Jeremy Lin play the pg position now the rest of the series and bev back on the bench. I don't like Lin at the sg spot for extended periods of time
Bamboo Forest April 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Anyone have a good link of the Beverly incident? I really doubt it was Beverly's intention to injure Westbrook. I think the only argument you could make is that he was negligent which sucks... but that's bound to happen in the NBA, unfortunately. These players are getting payed millions of dollars to perform at a high level: They're constantly going to give it their all.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2529277/russhurt_medium.gif
Wow, I didn't see this exact video or the same angle before.
I would now say it Beverley did it intentionally. At the very least it was meant for a hard foul - after the whistle.
@HowardBeckNYT: This may be a problem. RT @NYDNInterNets Gerald Wallace: "I don't have a clue what my role is on this team."
Umm has he seen Jeremy's role the entire season?
Spurs fans didn't even shed a tear when their team smashed Steve Nash's nose in the '05 playoffs. Most even cheered it as Coach Popovich's genius.
@JasonCFriedman: PB says Twitter vitriol directed his way can't compare to "type of pressure I used to get as kid walking to corner store..
"It was hard trying to go to school some mornings growing up." Also: "I've been in incidents in Europe where guys throw quarters at my face"
Good for u Patrick. U earned my respect.
So? Everyone has a backstory, obstacles they've had to overcome. People are making this Bev/WB thing much bigger than it is. S.hit happens, injuries suck.
Wow why are u mad? Beverley is getting death threats. Of course it is a huge news. OKC just lost their 1B player.
I didn't want to like bev because his goal conflicts with Lin's goal, but he has really earned my respect with the way he has played in the playoffs.
That's awesome. I love how Beverly has so much perspective. 1. He had a challenging time growing up, so now that he's getting payed huge money to play basketball.... and some basketball fans are talking crap: It's like nothing to the real threats he experienced growing up.
Secondly, the fans in Europe are much more insane than here... so even by being bombarded with what he's going through, he doesn't really respond emotionally: Because he has perspective.
It's twitter. Death threats from twitter....really.
Bev's play and personality got himself in this situation. You think Lin would have ever been associated with something like this?????? No. Bev didnt intentionally hurt WB but he needs to play smarter and not be so reckless.
Yeah k smith u will never be famous enuff to get 100'a of death threats on twitter but in this day bs age, I don't think u can just ignore everthing as empty threats.
And why do u hate bev so much. It 's not even about bev vs Lin. I'm just pointing out that I respect bev's toughness and u come in like a jealous girlfriend.
I might be a terrible fan, worse than the anti-Lin fans out there but I am no way near as moribund as u are.
Who said I hated Bev? You've been completely paranoid the past week, telling everyone Lin was losing his starting position to Bev. You, my friend have been acting completely crazy since the playoffs began.
You love drama, it doesn't matter who it is, that's why you keep posting fan tweets about Bev.
I think this really sums it up:
Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen 1h
Pat Beverley: "A lot of people do it throughout the league. I don't go out to try and hurt anybody. I tried to make a play on the ball."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1619223-patrick-beverly-not-to-blame-for-russell-westbrooks-injury?utm_medium=twitter
OK, I just watched a good shot of what happened. I don't think what Beverly did was dirty at all. He was just going for the steal and the collision was nasty. I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time without incident. But this, freakishly, an injury very unfortunately occurred. That's my assessment at least.
Coach Robbie April 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Twitter going off on Bev ...
@RoyseParr3h
Updated Oklahoma's most wanted list
1.Patrick Beverly
WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE (preferably dead)
I feel bad for PBev. This is going to haunt his career forever. But is this God's way of siding with Lin and the non - believers? Hmmmmm.....
uh, it has nothing to do with Lin here, please.
uh, you don't know
I don't think God bets on basketball.
Wow. I really hope you're not serious. You don't even know anything about Patrick Beverly. And I'm sure God love's all people regardless of their religion.
Spotless mind April 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM
I watched the game on wednesday cause i didn't have to work the day after. At least i watched the first 2 quarters.
I've seen live the incident and, in truth, i didn't like it at all. Beverly tried the whole game to get into Westbrook with trash talking and stuffs to get him in more foul trouble. But that move, for me, is crossing the line. Maybe someone don't agree but to me it wasn't fair.
It is to blame though what people are writing on beverly. It's just a basketball game!
Game 3 will be like a war. I think is better for jeremy to stay out if he's not 100%. That's no reason to risk your health for a team and an organization who didn't have respect for you throughout the season.
Rockets have little chances to win the series and even win a single game cause Durant will take over and people like Ibaka and perkins will be nasty in the paint.
Let's see what happens...
same thought here, I really wish Jeremy sit out if he is not 100%, well, he would not help anyway if he is not capable. I think it would be better for him to come back on gm 4.
I disagree. If he can move his arms he should play. Noone is 100% in the playoffs. Sitting out because u are scared about some bs retaliation can't make u seem any weaker.
The adrenaline that will kick in will help to mask the pain. I doubt he still has spasms. I expect him to play tomorrow.
Terrible fan. You really don't know Lin's toughness is you're judging him like this. You are just as bad as the anti-Lin fans you hate.
First of all it's what i hope not what jeremy will do. Second if you get another knock on your chest, and opponents know when you have some problem, you'll have to come out of the game pretty soon.
It's silly try to play a game like that when you can' t even shoot.
Okc will win 4-0 no matter what.... Beverly did good cause a man with a torn meniscus was guarding him....
I'm gonna add something: if jeremy would be allowed to play pg for the whole game just distributing the ball and try to get everyone involved i'd agree with you solidz. There's no need to shoot and if you have to it's just a layup or a little jump shot.
If jeremy would have to play waiting on the 3 point line he's gonna shoot Airball after Airball, if he's not 100%. It's all in mchale's hands....
If the injury has a chance of significantly worsening (ie partial year that may become a full tear) than he shouldn't play.
However, if its just a pain issue and not gonna lead to say a full tear, then u suck it up.
Lin even said the reason he couldn't play was not because of pain but SPASMS.
If spasms are gone,which likely they are, then i'd say it's a go. That bruise will never be 100% in time even for game 4.
I'm sure Lin will play. But he will not be 100%
Lin has nothing to prove to Rockets or Rockets' fans. By trying to play in a system and position that is not natural for him, while getting fouled often, are enough. I don't so much care about how tough of soft Lin is perceived, so I would rather see him sit if he's not 100%. I only get upset at Lin because I know he can do better, but seems to either over think or play lackadaisical time to time. Nothing to prove in a playoff where OKC is going to win 4-0 or 5-1. I rather Lin spent his toughness improving his game and staying healthy and perform better next year.
K smith. If u keep saying bad things about me, I will post some stuff from clutchfans so u can cry like a baby. I'm serious. U better watch it.
Oh God, an online threat? It'll only make you look more foolish.
wilc April 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM
It's gonna be more physical than usual. Even where JLin does not feel serious pain, I imagine even normal contact may come with the risk of aggravating the injury. JLin likes to take charges, dives after loose balls, and draws contact at the rim. I'm worried about JLin playing like this even with the injury.
Spotless Mind:
"Game 3 will be like a war. I think is better for jeremy to stay out if he's not 100%. That's no reason to risk your health for a team and an organization who didn't have respect for you throughout the season."
Well said !!!!! Lin's family, please pay attention. The chest is a bad area to risk being re-injured. The thug who did it to him is still there.
Lin is the Hunchback of Notre-Dame April 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM
ztrta he did this with the knicks also. what kind of rep do want this kid to have? look out for himself and his cuddling fans only? hes gotta MAN up and play. hes becoming an afterthought as it is, just do whatever you can to help out at least.
PCheung April 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM
It is not a dirty play or had any intention to hurt WB but it was clearly a foul.
If the hit was before the whistle for a time out then a normal foul call. If it was after the whistle, then it should be a technical foul. The ref just blew it.
We Lin fans should know Lin is a tough, competitive and high character person. If he feels he is good to go, he'll play, otherwise, I believe in him if he said he can't. He doesn't need to proof to anyone. If you have doubt about him, you are just a bandwagoner, not a Lin fan.
Yeap, the ref should have given a technical because a time out was called and Bev fouled WB. I saw the play again, and Bev's left hip hit WB's right knee pretty hard and put a lot of pressure on that spot for a split second. I could see why WB got injured, although it was not a dirty play. Like Bev said, Bev only knows how to play one speed: fast. That's Bev's weakness, because sometimes you have to slow down and change speed.
The play itself was completely unnecessary. Bev was trying to make Westbrook look foolish by trying to swipe the ball as he was going to the bench. You don't think Bev knows there will be a timout called? Scott Brooks already yelled it out loud from the sidelines so everyone knows it's coming. Bev has a bounty on his head, and deservedly so.
McHale wasn't revealing much in the scenario IF Jeremy Lin can't play. "We'll definitely start somebody," he says. LOL #RedNation
McHale on need for a win: "It's a 1-game season. We've got to win tomorrow night.
MCHALE @ PRACTICE
JLin did not practice, day to day with chest contusion. Very likely game-time decision for Game 3.
Spencer Haywood April 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Something in my gut tells me Lin will not play tomorrow. I don't think enough time has gone by for him to heal. I think that he definitely plays Monday, though.
I hope that I'm wrong but I don't think he's going to play either. It's gonna suck. HOU basketball is not the same w/o Lin. He'll, he's the only reason I watch that team.
Yeah, the only reason for me, but if he's not healthy, I rather see him rest rather than play while injured and play worse.
Houston basketball is an eyesore when Lin isn't on the floor.
I honestly thought and still think Lin would be ready.
If he's not, that's OK too.
I still would like Lin to play every game this season. Keep the streak going.
Hope he can play...hou fans
Oops, didn't finish, hou fans already so hate him for not able to finish the second game.
It's strange why Houston fans hate Jeremy Lin for not being able to play the 2nd half. Most of them - along with Morey & McHale (obviously they only implied) - always said that the backups are better than Lin.
I don't want Lin to pay the next game, coz his injury can't be healed enough on time. SAVE YOURSELF FOR YOUR NEXT TEAM, which could be next Tuesday! Morey, you can't trade Lin if his injury gets worse!
Consensus out there, not dirty play on PB's part. [except fr OKC fans.]
HOU fans loves PB/ this latest development. [understandably.]
It's not as if Bev intended to impact Westbrook's knee. Look at the play. WB, on seeing the steal attempt, tried to shield the ball by turning his right knee into Bev. If there is fault to be found here, WB shares some of it for putting his right knee between Bev and the ball.
Eric Miao April 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM
is this the same injury that Lin sustained last year?
Yes, a torn meniscus.
Warning on stupid crap about Wb rehab time vs JLin, these coming days.
[Already, crap over how Wb played with torn meniscus vs JLin's chest "bruise."]
Also, Wb's is only 2% tear, considerably lesser than JLin's meniscus damage. [Not making light of his injury.]
Will miss the playoffs, but injury not as bad as thought~
A Wojnarowski: The meniscus tear is considered to be minimal – perhaps 2 percent of the meniscus, one source said – and Westbrook's recovery could be weeks instead of months, if the doctor decides to simply "clean up" the meniscus. A full repair of the meniscus would likely mean a three-month recovery for Westbrook.
Disappointed that wb is out because Jlin won't get to play against him. Wb also a big part why okc is strong.
Bev play is like guys shooting the ball after the whistle and the other team blocking this shot at the rim. Obviously unnecessary, but players do it to see themselves make the play.
NOT ADAMANTINE AFTER ALL...
[No offense to Wb fans.]
Lol, Wolverine does heal really quickly. Maybe Wb can get a two week recovery like MWP. I don't think they'll rush things and risk harming their asset for the long run.
MWP coming back so soon was really suspicious...
Haha, yes super powers from PEDs.
[Zach Lowe] Thunder Struck: Russell Westbrook's Injury and What It Means for Oklahoma City
SGUO April 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM
If Lin is good to go I actually like to see him play because he can take ADVANTAGE of the situation with OKC emotionally charged toward Bev and can just do his thing and take charge with his playmaking and scoring and just freaking kill fisher (if he is healthy enough to do that). I don't expect Rockets have ANY CHANCE of winning if LIN is out as I don't think BEV will do well enough without Lin to take the pressure off while BEV will be aggressive attacked with or without the ball. I just don't think the ROCKETS can match OKC's intensity, even at home , and LiN will prove to be the equalizer (even if we lose) when BEV succums to OKC physicality, although no question in my mind Bev will still be Bev but he won't be as effective
OKC has enough players to beat Rockets without WB IMO. They will be playing with intensity, so I don't see WB getting hurt as a good thing for Rockets. Maybe for other teams OKC will meet during later rounds.
OKC is still going to take the series bc our coaching staff and players aren't smart enough to take advantage of the situation. Remember, Mchale is still the coach and Harden is still a ball dominant, ISO guard that doesn't know how to play off the ball.
OKC can just share WB's shots bewteen KMart and KD. It should actually be fun to watch KD score 40+.
Watch out for those harder than usual screens coming your way, Bev!
From Bovada, Thunder odds to win championship move from 4/1 to 7/1 with Westbrook injury. (Down 2-0, Rockets' go from 350/1 to 150/1.)
Kevin Durant on Westbrook's injury: 'I know I can lead us'
DURANT: I'M TIRED OF BEING SECOND
The Thunder were not going to beat Miami 4 times, so this really does not affect the rest of the playoffs. Possibly less entertaining with WB gone, but from another perspective, the Thunder just got more interesting.
Now, we can see what happens when Durant takes over all those shot attempts that WB regularly throws away. Will Durant be much less efficient now? Will he get really crowded by the defense now that WB is gone? Will Brooks' unimpressive coaching be exposed?
The Lin Bash-O-Meter has been 84 for 84 this season with uncalled fouls on Lin due to racist referee hatred.
Anybody care to throw some odds together that OKC will physically retaliate not against Bev, but against Lin?
I'd say 5-1 odds that OKC targets Lin vs. Lin is left alone.
zxcvb April 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM
I'm having the same thoughts/concerns.
They're too gutless to go after Harden (being an old teammate and "star" player)...but going after Beverly is too obvious and pointless (they don't need to worry about him).
Jeremy is the perfect target for the Thunder. Players get away with so much contact against him anyway, why not up the ante and see what the refs allow?
But unfortunately, there's nothing you can really do about it. Just play and try to avoid contact if possible (see if the jumpers fall early).
idk Khuang. I'd go with Lin not playing, then Lin is treated with respect but he'll be limited in output until later in game, and then some key plays. But, he will be low key because it's probably still hurting. You said you've experienced this ... so have I. It's not a 3 day thing, even with stim. Micheal Terry said it's great stuff, but I've had it for double meniscus cleanup, plus shoulder injury 12 yrs ago (so not new), and it's not magic. It's going to be a handicap on our man. Go Jeremy!
If Jeremy plays and gets benched, I won't complain or question it.
Lin is the NBA's pinata for racist bashing. Plus, knocking him out has been the Thunder's goal all along.
I watched the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys and the 90s Knicks and some other really dirty players and teams. Nothing I've seen remotely compares to the racist bashing the NBA encourages on Jeremy Lin every game.
Kevin McHale talked trash about how James Harden was a power guard that could play in the 80s. He's WRONG - the real power guard that could easily withstand the bashing in the 80s is Jeremy Lin.
Design68 April 26, 2013 at 6:51 PM
What racial bashing are you speaking of? Lin has said many times he has encountered no racism in the NBA.
HY April 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM
I've arrived in Houston from NJ.
So no concrete words whether JLin will play Game 3?
argh...so you are flying in just for this game? (I don't think there are further updates besides he's day to day, and that he didn't practice today)
Howard Chen ‏@ho_chenCSN 1h
Parsons: Rockets prepared 2day as if Lin's not playing, but said, "I'm sure he's gonna play." Nxt line? "I honestly have no idea"
Have fun , Hy.
From Rocket's team website:
It should be noted that the Rockets may well be without their starting point guard as well. Jeremy Lin's status remained unchanged Friday following the chest contusion injury he suffered Wednesday night. Lin was unable to practice Friday and will be a game-time decision for Game 3. McHale did not tip his hand when asked who might take Lin's place in the starting lineup if he is unable to go. He simply said his club must place a premium on movement no matter who is on the floor.
"A lot of our ball movement is predicated on body movement," he said, "not so much off the dribble. When we get more bogged down is when we try to do too much stuff off the dribble. So you don't have to be a point guard to pass and to throw it to the wing and cut through – all of our guys are capable of doing that and we're going to have to do more of that."
My feeling is they are preparing for Jeremy not coming back
[@wilc~ She's there for 2 games, IIRC.]
@HY~ For sure he'd be in G4, so it's not a wasted trip. [Hope he's well enough for G3.] Enjoy your stay there, HY.
Maybe they hope Lin doesn't come back .. especially Mchale...
HY, Let us know how everything goes in HOU!
@Via Ah, that's good.
@HY Hope you enjoy your time there. Even if the Rockets aren't fun to watch without JLin, Thunder is a big ticket team. Look out for KD to become a point-forward like LBJ! Should be quite a the performance.
@TN4 It sounds like to McHale whether JLin plays is neither here nor there.
As for Parsons' comment, JLin is probably insisting on playing so he might mean "I'm sure he's gonna 'try' to play". And then maybe the next line is prompted by the thought that, whether he does play really depends on the extent of his recovery.
There's no way of telling until game day.
Like I said, it's S.O.P. to be unclear about a player's injury status -- it makes it a little harder for the other team to prepare. Practice isn't going to help that much at this late stage anyway, so anyone who isn't 110% should sit out.
If nothing else, I'd like to see Jeremy suit up and be ready to come off the bench if they need him. If OKC struggles without Westbrook, then he can just take the night off and stay on the bench.
I am pulling off a Dealec and will ban myself until the next game if Lin doesn't play tomorrow. I'm sure he will play.
You know we love having you around here, bro.
what's Dealec?
rintintin April 26, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Rockets will miss Lin's defence. With WB out they need to do helping defence against K Durant so Bev will collect quick fouls (being the uncontrolled sort of guy he is) then Brooks and Anderson will play more minutes or even Delf will play guard.
Interesting to see if OKC will play intimidating dirty play against Bev and if Rox will retaliate against Perkins. Probably OKC will get many technicals cos Rox are not natural dirt bags like Thunder. Watch out for a lot of elbows, head and face swipes, shirt and hand holds, charges and flops!
I'd think they will miss Jeremy's play making more. They could hide the defense with playing zone a little bit. With WB out, Parsons might get into foul trouble early, then Rocket will really have some problem.
And if Jeremy is out, expect Harden play super long minutes, since without James or Jeremy, Beverley is not really effective to organize offense. Unless they go super small with Beverley together with AB. That would be funny though.
NORMAN OWYOUNG MEETS JLIN
OzRocks April 26, 2013 at 5:14 PM
off topic .. just watched a segment on NBA tv about memphis coach lionel hollins.. very impressive and philosophical.. wish Jlin could play under his tutelage..
mr.james April 26, 2013 at 5:16 PM
Wow what a warrior to play the second half with a torn muscle.....and STILL dominate, that dude is the elite of elites in the pg position, oh well still a rockets fan and hope we can sneak into the second rd. Kinda wonder how he was able to play and not lin with a chest bruise? I guess everyones pain tolerance is different.....go lin/rockets!
GTFO inbred, Rockets troll.
Do you know how many games Lin played last year when he tore his meniscus? More than WB, so STFU.
Why always him?!!
are you implying Jlin is soft ?
YES I believe he is calling Jlin soft! It is warranted as westbrook finished the game even with a season ending injury and Jlin left with what looked like heartburn. MAN the hell up lin, I can deal with the first playoff struggles but he looked hella soft.
Thanks, all.
When I said I am an LOF, now you guys know I DO mean what I said :-)
I will try to enjoy the 2 games, but w/o JLin, I am afraid I will lose interest, as I am really not an expert/veteran bball viewer, I come mainly to support/cheer for JLin, and no one else, especially not coming to see someone else taking his place :-(
Hopefully you'll see him both games, if not, at least the last game.
Hope he plays G3.
HY, you can still enjoy Lin at this game even if he doesn't play.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the ball movement and defense without Lin.
As a Lin Only Fan, you can watch this game to speculate what impact Lin would have!
Khuang that is the smartest thing u said today. Welcome back.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/patrick-beverley-of-the-houston-rockets-reacts-after-news-photo/167380027?Language=en-US
Why Mchale prefers Bev over Lin