Why would people even suggest that for Halo? (I said it as a joke earlier)
It ain't needed. In COD, it works fine due to ADS. In Halo, since there is no ADS, no flinch is needed. Scoping in is not the same as ADS after all.
Well, know we're just getting into the flawed fundamentals that make CoD suck so hard. We shouldn't really be discussing how CoD's kill times are too fast.
I'm just happy folks found it useful.
On the topic of scoping/unscoping in Halo though, I support that you don't get knocked out of scope with a BR. I haven't seen whether you get knocked out of scope when you're using a sniper, but I'd be a little upset if you didn't
I direct everyone I know there, best compilation of info I've seen I think
Seconded. Sure do appreciate the work put in.
It is not the first level, it is a 1/3rd into campaign.
AFAIK, the first level is in
The Forward Unto Dawn's wreck.
anyone up for playing Reach in an hour?
Woorloog said:
That's the point :_T
Mind if I join?
I promise not to go on a 5 state murder spree.
Ah. Well. USA Today ain't game journalism, is it?
Not implying "game journalism" is a good thing. Or even medicore.
heckfu
I've yoinked Noobs 4 times today and he hasn't even betrayed me once.
If they shoot you five times in the dome from distance then they deserve all they get.
Um, no, because it's just a stupid game of "if I shoot you first, you cannot possibly fight back effectively."
The problem is the extreme range of DMR and the inability to return fire from distance after getting unscoped... that one gets first shot doesn't mean they deserve the win in Halo.
This discussion is going in circles, right?
I just want to clarify: I AM NOT lordmasterization! Or I AM NOT OF THESE 14 IDIOTS who liked his comment. These guys are only copycats of me. I am the Original. I am Combat Evolved or Halo 2. They are Reach. They will give up and ask for a Turn 10 hoodie when they see it on the Forza Horizon video. I will stay true to the 343i Hoodie. I will fight this hopeless fight to the bitter end. I know my goals are high and I will maybe never reach it. But I beli343.
You understood his post wrong...
Yeah, i noticed already. And yes, this thread does move a tad fast.
good by me... GT - Risen GBG... I'm actually going to hop on in just a few
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Actually, I don't see it like that at all. For me I've never had an issue with going right back into zoom after getting knocked out, and it's been a seemingly natural flow of gunplay and if anything allowed the knocking out to better indicate to me when shots are actually hitting me (which could mean I need to adjust my strafe, or need to back away from the fight and move into cover, etc.) I wouldn't have an issue with them getting rid of being knocked out if the same level of damage indication is there, but you can't really tell if it is, so for now it's a negative change for me.
Deadly Cyclone
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*Goes to try to play Reach*
Edit. Risen, 789, shoot me an invite. GT is same as gaf tag.
It's being fairly slow during E3 because of the IRC chat.
Aggrotek
Mad props to the guys at The Halo Council. Great write ups and solid info. Thanks for all you do!
I don't get it. Your predictions where spot on down to the letter. What was shown wasn't the first mission. What's the problem?
kylej
didn't really read the COD conversation over the last few pages but I just wanted to say the notion that it's a "twitch" shooter is pretty funny. COD is about map control, learning the spawn systems, positioning, situational awareness, and aim. People who think it's a baby game compared to Halo are bad at COD. The game is sooooo fast and fluid, makes Halo look like slow motion when you've got a good team. I hope Blops 2 is as good as Blops.
USA Today said they were showing the first mission. So I told them to fuck off.
And to be fair I wasn't spot on, they didn't explain the engine like I thought. I expected someone speaking a bit.
It moves a tad fast at the moment.
And somehow i think the GAF being down having a bigger impact on this thread being slow than us having an IRC chat room.
kylej said:
Another time I agree with Kyle. I enjoy both games because they differ in play style.
Aggrotek said:
Yeah, THC has been great - easily the best Halo site for the competitive angle and perspective on the new stuff this E3.
If the guy can maintain a level of accuracy to five shot kill you from a distance with nothing but headshots, I don't think being unscoped the entire time is an unfair compromise. Headshots are incentivized, which brings a risk/reward element to gunfights, which increases the skill gap. I proposed this before. Sticking by it.
Even a child could do this with the DMR because it has perfect accuracy, a stupid fast fire rate, and 3x scope. So no, it's exceedingly simple to do that.
BackdoorBeauty
Deadly Cyclone said:
I agree with him here as well. Though i still maintain that COD is a twitch shooter. In my experience. I've never seen map control and that stuff in it, not really anyway.
(Nuketown doesn't count).
All people did was to run around and when you found someone, it was a reflex game.
Note that i'm not as good in COD as i'm in Halo, i'm rather lousy in COD. Don't really care, it's a frigging fun game regardless. Halo is only fun when i'm doing well.
That said, also expecting BLOPS2. Too bad it launches way too close to Halo 4... don't have budget for them both, nor time to play them both.
They've fucked up CoD though. Can't stand any of the newer games because there's so much bullshit in it that frustrates me when I get killed by it. CoD4 can still be enjoyable though. Still play it every now and then, it's a lot more straight forward than CoD games these days.
But let's assume it is that easy to cross map with the DMR. Wouldn't it be pointless to fight with someone who shot you first regardless of if there's unscoping or not based on the fact that it should be easy for someone to finish their plate? It's exceedingly simple, so there's no practical reason to do anything but run to cover.
Um, this is not a good thing. I should always be able to effectively fight back no matter the circumstance.
One runs at 60fps. The other isn't confirmed to be locked at 30. You know what to do.
blamite
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Has the new Needler shown up in anywhere yet? It's very important that it's at least as good as the Reach Needler.
Barrow Roll
Console CoD doesn't run at a locked 60fps. Still higher than 30, but just stating a fact.
If you own a decent surround sound setup then you owe it to yourself to download the E3 Presentation from the Xbox press site and treat your ears. Sounds soooooo good.
That's what I'm (hypothetically) saying. If cross mapping were so easy, 5sk should be raining from the skies like mass population personal ordinances. It wouldn't matter if you fought back with someone who got a shot off on you, because they'll easily clean you up in four more shots if you engaged, unscoping or no. At best you'll leave them one shot.
I bet pong would run at obscene fps on the 360. The answer has always been here, right in front of our eyes!
blamite said:
According to leaks, it is a weapon drop, can be seen on Halo 4 page in the ordnance section. That's all we know. Really hope it is more like Halo 3 Needler, with Reach's accuracy. Though that might be too powerful.
You do know it can't be really higher than 60 FPS unless the TV/Display can have higher refresh rate?
Zoso Achilles
There are a few things about halo that I find absolutely essential and should not be thrown away so easily. Being knocked out of scope when taking damage is one of those things.
I can only hope the reason that terrible ign player didn't exit scope while being shot was due to the awareness perk or something; even then, I'm not looking forward to this.
EDIT: Nope, he had ammo as his perk
So far it looks like the Needle Rifle has been replaced with the Carbine (which is awesome). Now all they need to do is get rid of the Focus Rifle and bring back the Beam Rifle.
Kuroyume
I'd rather have the needle rifle more so than the needler at this point. Wouldn't surprise me if it's in considering the DMR and BR can exist in the same game. The super combine makes it unique enough for it to be in there.
Needle Rifle > Carbine/Needler btw
bigshinyrobot.com
If the scope thing is true, and there by design, and not from a specialization or a bug or something (I expect 1 or the other), I don't think I care. At this point I've downed the koolaid and I'm ready to try some new stuff. Let's do this.
It appears from my time reading HaloGAF that no one really agrees on what should be Halo and what they'd like to see done. Based on that, there'd never be an outcome where everyone would be completely happy, IMHO.
^^ Its not looking like the NR is in at this point. I love that gun though and would miss it.
-Yeti said:
Why not both? Both the Nerfle and the Carbine and both the Focus Rifle and the Beam Rifle?
And the Sentinel Beam as well, of course.
Actually, i don't think this is too far fetched since 343i is expanding the sandbox due to three factions and unlock system.
Computron
Thrusters look promising:
It's the only first person video I could find of it.
I perspective-cropped the screen into place from the IGN video.
(Taking out the watermark the process)
It doesn't look as fast I had hoped from first person.
Although, that might be because he's going up a hill.
I want to see the beam rifle back in. It was a fun weapon.
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Computron said:
I perspective-cropped the screen into place from that IGN video.
It doesn't look as fast I had hoped from first person, but that might be because he's going up hill.
Ok, that looks badass hahaha
that might be because he's going up hill.
I want a mod that allows dual wielding magnums with beam rifle projectiles. That was damn fun in Halo 2 Vista (self-made SP mod, simple projectile substitute), dual wielding ray guns.
Beam Rifle did have this "feel" in it, a feel the Focus Rifle and the human sniper lack.