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Blue-rinse backlash shock horror
(21 posts) (14 voices)
Started 2 years ago by Scroat
Latest reply from Titus
Scroat
The wicked stepmother is a dyed-in-the-wool Tory, never votes for anybody else, voted for Brexit etc. All the usual bigoted bollocks.
She amazed me yesterday by launching a tirade against Theresa May for scrapping the winter fuel allowance. She's thinking of spoiling her ballot paper.
If someone so right wing can have a wobble about voting, the election might be quite interesting. Because of mobility problems I will probably have to post her postal vote, but will be tempted to bin it if she has reverted to form... (No, not really).
The good news is that she's moving next week, and will then be infesting Gloucestershire.
Sir Lupus
interesting indeed. i'm quite surprised that with the fuel payment and particularly the social care funding proposals, Theresa has chosen to have a go at better-off pensioners, the tories' traditional bedrock support. almost as if she actually has a social conscience and thinks that she's so far ahead in the polls, she can afford to attack some of her supporters' privileges.
that, or she's patronising Labour: "look, to make it a contest, i'll give you a head start by laying into tory-voting pensioners". (will work into sub/ticker perhaps - or someone else have a go)
or again, this the daily mash take on it: Don't worry, there's loads of ways around it, Tories reassure the rich
throngsman
We have a coffee on a weekend with a friend who was Mrs T's colleague a few years back. She's older than us by 10 years, retired and is a bit Toryish. Almost certainly voted Brexit, mainly because she had a bad experience with some young Polish people who rented the house next to her (the real problem was the local man who rented the house and didn't keep them in check). She eventually moved house as a result, so her bias has grounds, but I suspect she would have voted the same way anyway.
She is also ranting about the cap, especially as the Tories won't commit to how low the cap will be. Not sure she can bring herself to vote labour, though. Corbyn is the problem there, but who knows?
I think Labour will do better than expected, largely thanks to the Tory policies and the popular manifesto Labour have put out. I think if Labour and the Lib Dems can avoid diluting their better chance constituencies we'll also see a resurgence in Lib Dem fortunes - I doubt they'll recoup all of the previously safe seats they lost, but will be well into double digits, maybe even nudging thirty seats. Factor in the SDP and the promised 'Coalition of Chaos' is on the cards.
Labour and the Lib Dems are sharing similar policies so make a natural alliance in a hung parliament, the SNP and the Lib Dems are on the same page regarding Brexit and between them would probably force Labour to run a second referendum as part of the price for their allegiance.
Me, I'm torn. I'd like to not be punished for the banking crisis anymore, because the public sector didn't really cause that, did they? Would love to see tuition fees go away, also would like to see my grandson get free lunch when he starts school next academic year. But I just love seeing foxes torn apart, would prefer my house went to the government when I lose my marbles, don't see why pensioners should be allowed to not freeze and who doesn't want to be holding hands with Donald Trump?
Ironduke
If the Tories don't start giving a people a reason TO vote for them, rather than reasons NOT to vote for anyone else, then they could find their majority not as cheerily comfy as they were hoping.
It'll hardly be a ringing endorsement for Theresa to go to the country with a majority of 15 and come back with a majority of 28.
The funding of care for the elderly is a looming issue and it's quite probably a common sense policy- an elderly person dying after massive government expenditure on their last 2 years care, who then passes on a fortune to their children, is all very well for their children but not for the national purse - and the nature of the policy is such that the elderly person themselves won't be the one to go short, but those who lose out on the inheritance.
Perhaps behind it all is a drive (especially with the inclusion of home care) and encouragement for care to be provided by those dependents, rather than the state...as its the dependents who will be funding it out of their lost inheritance. That might start some rows, especially if some children live close and some further away. Or it might bring back some more 'collective responsibility' for the care of the elderly, if people are at all able to do so.
There does seem to be a Tory angle of saying 'Here's your cabbage. Eat it, its good for you, and there's nothing else' whilst Labour say 'Wouldn't it be brilliant if every meal was just pudding'.
If people assume that the Tories are going to win anyway, then a) they wont get out and vote for them and b) they might be tempted to think we'll have a Lib Dem/Labour MP locally, they wont get a majority anyway but be nice to balance things up a bit better...and if enough think that, that Tory landslide gets washed away.
Some Tory campaigning talking positively and promoting what they have done, talking about employment figures and apprenticeships and growth etc - is very much necessary in the final run-in.
deceangli
Just when I thought a political party was starting to develop some, ahem, political commonsense, they go and spoil it all.
The Conservatives had played a brilliant game until recently, by not turning up. Saying nowt allowed them to not put their feet in it, while Labour amused us all with New Maths and the LibDems refused to say whether bumming is a sin.
Reminds me of the teacher who announced "Every time I open my mouth some idiot starts talking". If TM had postponed the manifesto till after the election - as suggested by Throngsman - they'd be miles ahead.
Maggie would have handled the social care thing with a Logan's Run approach, I reckon. Maybe they could combine it with fox hunting.
Wrenfoe
If TM had postponed the manifesto till after the election - as suggested by Throngsman - they'd be miles ahead.
I'm hoping for a hung Parliament. You can't beat a good coalition of chaos for sheer entertainment value – and lots of mileage for subs here. I still maintain that history will judge the Lib Dems well for the moderating influence they had in coalition. I was going to start a thread about who was the best Prime Minister we never had. It would be Nick Clegg.
If TM does win, there will be an interesting 'night of the long knives' cabinet reshuffle, in which Boris will get well and truly skewered. We'll get a new Chancellor of the Exchequer too. God knows who she'll bring in though – she doesn't have a lot of friends.
And Yvette (or Emily) will take over the helm in what remains of the Labour Party.
And of course by then, Nigel will be Vice-President of the USA.....
Sinnick
I still think it's a realistic possibility, with May starting to shoot herself in the foot. For once, I'm actually looking forward to the Conservative candidate coming round
Al OPecia
It's quite astonishing - this is the third time May has significantly rowed back on policies which at least had the defence of being logically consistent, prior to retrofit to her "core vote" WTF that means. Where's Paxo when you need him?
Also support for a post-deal Referendum appears to be gaining momentum.
I think Labour are in with a chance of a moderate upset here. Two weeks out, and the Tories are between 9 - 13 points ahead of Labour. Just like Hilary was with Trump.
The parliamentary party have figured out what Cameron and Boris realised straight away, and are trying to find ways out of dealing with the Brexit negotiations so they can blame someone else for the mess?
beau-jolly
WRT winter fuel allowance. Surely a universal payout which includes millionaires is madness. What she proposed was not giving money to people who don't need it so more could be given to people who do need it. Sounds pretty fair to me. Does the Queen get wfa?
There are many people waiting to inherit. My view has always been that I would rather my parents live happily into their old age and spend their money on themselves including their equity. I should expect to look after myself rather than wish them dead!
It is only greedy fuckers who could object to these policies. Sadly the greedy fuckers are mainly Mrs. M's grass-root supporters.
BTW I notice that there are already conspiracy nutters suggesting that the atrocity in Manchester was a political inspiration to help boost the Tories. These people are allowed not only to bread but to vote too.
AReader
These people are allowed not only to bread but butter as well.
Bollox. Too late to change it.
WRT winter fuel allowance. Surely a universal payout which includes millionaires is madness.
The objection I heard from pensioners was the level of evasiveness over where the cap would come in. I think it was Jeremy Hunt who refused to commit to a level, which makes people suspicious.
Golgo, I wondered that too. Perhaps TM, while walking in Snowdonia said 'how the fuck do I get out of this?'
Al - I hadn't picked up on a post deal referendum, but I can see the Lib Dems and SNP making it a condition of a referendum
And yet, this is one of very, very few things proposed by the Tories that might even up the generational gap between the old and the young even slightly.
I fear the Tories will learn the obvious lesson: keep pandering to the pensioners, who will vote for you unless you really go out of your way to alienate them, the young will just drift into a lifetime of insecurity and not vote.
Midfield Diamond
Irrespective of whether everyone should get it or not, winter fuel allowance is peanuts in the grand scheme of things, which is why people get rightly pissed off when some petty, vindictive, penny-pinching jobsworth thinks it should no longer be paid.
It's like our latest expenses policy at work which now says that only small size coffee can be reimbursed, because some jumped-up twat of an accountant worked out he would save several quid by not paying out for medium or large refreshments.
It really isn't the money, it's the attitude that 'you are a bunch of free-loading grabbers that deserve nothing' that irritates.
You get your coffee reimbursed? I hope that gets declared as a taxable benefit in kind. It's freeloaders like you who are dragging the economy down! ;)
Only when on a business trip, and only if the drive is longer than two hours, and only if you've been authorised by your boss's boss to incur expenses during the trip ...
And you can no longer claim for a cake with it either ...
New Tory austerity requires taking a thermos, never mind you lavish Johnny Come Lattes
In the words of the poet Luke Wright, 'You've got to fight for your right to latte'.
There's got to be a story somewhere about Joseph Smith, his Christian primitivist movement and the latte day saints.
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