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Re: "Kirsan Ilyumzhinov announced his resignation as FIDE President"
Post by NickFaulks » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:44 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote: A long overdue revolt by the insiders then.
Why does everything have to be so dramatic? What's wrong with the simple explanation given that he said he was resigning, they believed him and had to decide what to do next?
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:06 am
Chris Rice wrote: I suspect the PB have been watching Game of Thrones.
The writer of which is a former USCF controller/organiser/arbiter. Given that chess tournaments took place at weekends, that left time for writing.
NickFaulks wrote: What's wrong with the simple explanation given that he said he was resigning, they believed him and had to decide what to do next?
Given the claim that he hasn't resigned, it would be simple enough to explain that it was just a translation error and there was no story. As it stands it's liable to end up being resolved at enormous expense in CAS.
Chris Rice wrote: However, Makro and the Presidential Board didn't see it that way, they now have the power and are seizing the chance to get rid of him once and for all.
They could have saved themselves the trouble by backing Bessel Kok in 2006.
Post by NickFaulks » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:25 am
Roger de Coverly wrote: it would be simple enough to explain that it was just a translation error and there was no story
But that would have been a lie, requiring a large number of people to say they hadn't heard what they knew they had heard. Nobody would have believed them, and I'm sure you would have pounced on this evidence of duplicity.
The "translation error" approach really isn't a runner. Kirsan's English is very good.
Roger de Coverly wrote: They could have saved themselves the trouble by backing Bessel Kok in 2006.
Some of them did!
NickFaulks wrote: The "translation error" approach really isn't a runner. Kirsan's English is very good.
So when he turns up in press conferences with Filatov and claims he hasn't resigned, he's fibbing then?
Isn't it a dual key though? Kirsan ceases to be FIDE President only when both the FIDE insiders and the Russian government lose confidence in him. so far it's only 1 of 2.
If you Google "Kirsan resigns" or similar, you find stories of when Putin told him he wasn't Kalmykia president any more.
https://gambit.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... ykia/?_r=0
Post by Chris Rice » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:54 am
Russian Chess News has two articles on this. The first entitled The Ides of March argues that this is a revolution by Makro and the PB using Marxist principles. Only Filatov remains loyal and even Putin is distancing himself.
The second article is about Ilyumzhinov naming Nigel Freeman and Georgios Makropoulos as the people behing the putsch. There is a TV interview on a channel called "Rain" where Ilyumzhinov answered the questions of Pavel Lobkov about the scandal. Here there is an interesting exchange:
Lobkov: The presidential council [April 10] - is it something like a putsch?
Ilyumzhinov: Well, behind my back they made a provocation.
Lobkov: And who can you name?
Ilyumzhinov: FIDE posted a posting on the FIDE website - Nigel Freeman, executive director, FIDE first vice president Georgios Makropoulos lives in Athens When they posted this announcement, I immediately wrote a refutation, and they did not publish it yesterday. They disconnected all the phones and until today they did not answer, only today they hung my refutation. Pressure and threats have been going on for a year - since I was included in the sanctions list. Go away, go away, Go away ... "
Chess Drum also carries the story but it's this sentence in particular that really caught my eye: "The truth of the matter is that FIDE has been in limbo and is suffering from tremendous brand erosion with his sanctioning."
Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:17 am
The Washington Post gives an American perspective.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... signation/
Post by Chris Rice » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 pm
Makropoulos makes a move, "no one asked Ilyumzhinov to resign and the meetings were recorded". Judging by the letter Makro wrote it looks like Ilyumzhinov is finished, Kirsan to move... http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... hinov.html
Post by Nigel Short » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:02 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Nick Faulks apparently thinks we are all idiots.
Zurab Azmaiparashvili with his Continental President of Europe hat on has made a statement. It doesn't add a lot to what we already know but does reinforce the view that the sanctions against Ilyumzhinov were crippling FIDE and even though they may not have told him to resign the expectation was that he would. The fact that he was hesitating, presumably wanting the PB to campaign for him against the sanctions in some way which they rightly refused to do, just made the whole thing worse.
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Post by shaunpress » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:20 pm
Nick, what is the signal for everyone to change sides? "We have always been at war with Eastasia" is apt but not original, while "London Bridge is down" has recently been taken. "The Battleship Potemkin has been sunk" perhaps?
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Post by AustinElliott » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:30 pm
shaunpress wrote:
"The Flying Saucer has landed" ...?
Post by Nick Grey » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:20 pm
Lost in translation? I've had enough? Retirement or resignation?
Reminds me of "The Prisoner". Kirsan does not make a good Number 1 let alone a Number 6. No way out of the Village.
If James Bond (Spectre/Smersh) analogy has he announced his own elimination?
I lost any respect for him when his associate apologised for his junior team not fulfilling a fixture at Surbiton because they were meeting the President.
I said it would have been better if he got the President to come to Surbiton for where these juniors were due to play.
That his associate could not be bothered to inform Surbiton in advance of an important engagement was my main issue with his organisation.
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